Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-23-2010 | 11:43 AM
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09-23-2010 | 12:10 PM
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09-23-2010 | 12:13 PM
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The only problem is that CBA's change. Somebody, somewhere will fly these with 2 man crews if they are allowed per regulation. Then the next CBA cycle or downturn or bankruptcy, etc the company just HAS to have 2 man crews to compete. And once it is gone it is never coming back. Remember there used to be three crewmembers in EVERY flight deck. Some unions held onto the third guy for awhile, but now 1/3 of pilot jobs are permentaly gone.
Worst case scenario, lets say the 330, 765 and 7ER categories we drawn down on the FO side such that FOs = CAs. Its about 774 extra pilots.
09-23-2010 | 12:15 PM
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09-23-2010 | 12:36 PM
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09-23-2010 | 12:38 PM
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I do not equate "constructive engagement" to bending over. I take it as a dialogue between two parties that is two way and is rational. Rational does not mean accepting less, but it does mean being realistic and not irrational for the sake thereof.
Engaging does not mean compromising or to settle. It means to look at multiple paths to an end goal that all pilots desire. It means hearing the other side (management etc) out and then fact checking their position. To me it is amazing what happens when one just listens even if they know the position is totally wrong!
We can say that about restoration, work rules, retirement, lobbying that benefits our labor group etc.
What constructive engagement does is allows us the option to opt out at any given time. The void of this engagement will not go unnoticed. It forces both sides to be rational in their approach because both sides will be harmed in the end without it.
FWIW, this is not support of a person or candidate, this is support of the idea.
Engaging does not mean compromising or to settle. It means to look at multiple paths to an end goal that all pilots desire. It means hearing the other side (management etc) out and then fact checking their position. To me it is amazing what happens when one just listens even if they know the position is totally wrong!
We can say that about restoration, work rules, retirement, lobbying that benefits our labor group etc.
What constructive engagement does is allows us the option to opt out at any given time. The void of this engagement will not go unnoticed. It forces both sides to be rational in their approach because both sides will be harmed in the end without it.
FWIW, this is not support of a person or candidate, this is support of the idea.
Carl
09-23-2010 | 12:44 PM
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Like I have told you, I too have an issue with Prater's ineffectiveness. I do not blame the organization, I blame the person for his lack of response. Ergo, change the person not the organization as a first level of resolution. If the pilot's next choice is as ineffective then it may be time to move on to other options, but lest try the non-nuclear option first.
Just my .02
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DPA is not the "nuclear option", although I'm very impressed at your ability to come up with new fear mongering cliches. DPA is a result of numerous personnel changes resulting in the exact same organization. The organization is broken.
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09-23-2010 | 12:47 PM
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09-23-2010 | 12:50 PM
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09-23-2010 | 12:52 PM
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Carl at the risk of sounding like a ALPA cheerleader, look around you. No really.
Both companies were recently out of CH11, nether had made more than two quarters of profit since 2001 and they just had 10 billion in goodwill write down. Even I agree that we need more and a lot of it, but what leverage do you have to get the gains you are talking about?
What I see as a result of constructive engagement is our combined company (Which we help facilitate with a smooth merger) will make more in two quarters than either one has since well before 2001. I see that as setting the foundation for constant gains if the momentum continues.
Have I been happy with some of the LOA's and other items? Nope, and I have voiced my opinion that we could have gotten "a little" more than we did. In the end of the day, the JPWA which was a non-bk contract was voted on and approved overwhelmingly by both sides of the premerger airline.
It is OK to want more and not to be satisfied on where we are. IMO the true beauty of constructive engagement is that you can take it away. If you noticed our Master Chairman's letter made national press today. That is how much the financial sector is watching not just our mouths but our feet. It was a letter and it was picked up by the new wires. That imo tells me a lot about the level of attention that is being paid to this group.
Both companies were recently out of CH11, nether had made more than two quarters of profit since 2001 and they just had 10 billion in goodwill write down. Even I agree that we need more and a lot of it, but what leverage do you have to get the gains you are talking about?
What I see as a result of constructive engagement is our combined company (Which we help facilitate with a smooth merger) will make more in two quarters than either one has since well before 2001. I see that as setting the foundation for constant gains if the momentum continues.
Have I been happy with some of the LOA's and other items? Nope, and I have voiced my opinion that we could have gotten "a little" more than we did. In the end of the day, the JPWA which was a non-bk contract was voted on and approved overwhelmingly by both sides of the premerger airline.
It is OK to want more and not to be satisfied on where we are. IMO the true beauty of constructive engagement is that you can take it away. If you noticed our Master Chairman's letter made national press today. That is how much the financial sector is watching not just our mouths but our feet. It was a letter and it was picked up by the new wires. That imo tells me a lot about the level of attention that is being paid to this group.
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