Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 560599)

Oh no... the virus has spread to the "latest and greatest" thread. Let me set down the White Russian and get all of you some aspirin.

The RJDC no longer exists, the Corporation was dissolved. There is no such thing as the "RJDC settlement agreement."

There is the ALPA administrative policy manual. It requires that MEC's submit their scope openers to National, the MEC's attempt to resolve their differences and if they are unable to do so, ALPA National has the power to withhold the President's signature.

For the near future, that policy will be monitored by the (is NY the 6th District, I forgot) Federal Court. There is a Ford and Cooksey action, resolved as a class action which held ~2,500 Comair and ASA pilots. It is available, it is a public document, but I'm on the road and don't have the link with me.

ALPA is abiding, I know, the dude abides.... you all know that. Don't go all Walter on me.

Bottom line, no MEC can negotiate scope unilaterally. ALPA National is supposed to keep the kids from fighting. That has always been their job, they just have to be a better parent now.

But really, could we avoid a hijack of just this one thread. I like coming here to learn the latest and greatest, not a decades old fight between ALPA bros.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 560648)

Interesting......he can't respond to this one.

Originally Posted by reddog25 (Post 560508)

What...probably difference training consisting on distance learning, followed by a sim ride and a check ride

Originally Posted by Joemerchant (Post 560670)

Actually I can....most of what Bucking Bar says is correct....The only part that isn't 100% correct is that ALPA isn't abiding by the agreement and legal action is being pursued yet again......

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 560258)

I agree. It is beside the point but only to a point.

What if DAL comes and offers 25 757s added to the fleet, are we certain LM wouldn't give up more scope?

Originally Posted by reddog25 (Post 560508)

What...probably difference training consisting on distance learning, followed by a sim ride and a check ride

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 560694)

Well if the RJDC no longer exists, then I would say the agreement no longer exists.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 560823)

I am glad that Bar cleared this up. I apologize for using RJDC, but using the Ford/ Cooksey settlement would have confused a lot of us. They are the godfathers of this, and what the settlement is named Bar is correct when he stats that using RJDC is only hurtful and brings up hate using that term.

Bar is 100% correct. This issues has a settlement with ALPA national. The way I see it these individuals had constructive notice due to the fact that they knew what NWA's PWA had in it, and the fact that the merger was no secret.
There two LOA's came over intact. Delta management accepted them as is. Due to their language, it now covers other DCI carriers. I am sure there will be a fight about this, but we need to fight for the scope of protections that these LOA's will afford us.