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It was always a backup depending on what happens with the talks with Japan on the Okinawa base.
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Bar;
Agreed, that that is where the pilot group needs to be. I am discussing a management perspective. We can try to message their view to mimic our position, but their is based on RASM and a desire no to dilute the market share out there. We may have to eventually do that, but it will be widely unprofitable for us. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 882280)
This is my personal take.
The way that our code share is set up with AS, the other code shares that AS has are capped. We can grow ours but they cannot grow the others. The poison pill for ending our agreement is also a good deterrent for AMR. Because that cannot be paid with a stock swap, it provides a deterrent for AMR and B6 by itself. (lack o cash) It may allow AS to stay independent which is their desire, and for them to continue to feed us. It has been stated in many of the chats that RA has had, that we do not desire to buy AS unless we need to. If RA and co play their cards correctly we may be able to get HI and keep AS independent with the option to buy if need be. That IMO is the desire to date. HA is important for our Asian route network and for our RASM out of HNL. If we can get that other HND slot, it bodes very well for DAL. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 882292)
Bar;
Agreed, that that is where the pilot group needs to be. I am discussing a management perspective. We can try to message their view to mimic our position, but their is based on RASM and a desire no to dilute the market share out there. We may have to eventually do that, but it will be widely unprofitable for us. We facilitate our replacement too easily because it is the easiest course of action. Somebody please take an alarm clock to the ALPA BOD. It is like trying to wake a somnambulant teenage girl. |
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Any way to pick up fly during vacation days???:confused:
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Originally Posted by JABDIP
(Post 882305)
Any way to pick up fly during vacation days???:confused:
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Originally Posted by JABDIP
(Post 882305)
Any way to pick up fly during vacation days???:confused:
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Originally Posted by JABDIP
(Post 882305)
Any way to pick up fly during vacation days???:confused:
Also, if you pick something off the swap board instead of open time you can exceed your max pickup (ALV +15). If you're going to do this to get over max-pickup, be sure to do your open time pickups (WS or swap w/ pot) FIRST, then pick something up from the swap board (which again may exceed ALV +15.) You will obviously be working most of your non-vacation days to make this happen but lots of guys make a little extra coin this way if you don't need the days off. The only limit that would apply to the swap board pickup is your Block Hour Limit, which probably won't be an issue unless you're crediting a ton every month. |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 882289)
Alternatively, we could perform our own flying. As a pilot, I would prefer to work for an airline than a travel agency.
Alaska and Delta are fairly intertwined. We provide ground handling for them. Since their staffing requirements are more stringent than ours, Station Managers complain that we shift a lot of resources to ensure Alaska's flights get out on time to the detriment of Delta flights. IMHO we need to always keep focus on OUR operation. A problem with losing AS codeshare is that arguably, their product is preferred by our customers. I would sure like to say "Delta is the best" and we can take that fight anyplace in the market. Who's with me? Cheers George |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 882300)
Codeshare is just market dilution by another means. The difference is we get a cut of the action and insulation from risk in exchange for market irrelevance.
We facilitate our replacement too easily because it is the easiest course of action. Somebody please take an alarm clock to the ALPA BOD. It is like trying to wake a somnambulant teenage girl. Code share agreements are a Band Aid for companies that do not want to spend the money to buy jets, nor dilute market share to the point the RASM is not above the CASM. (Loss) I know you know that. What would keep me up at night with the AS deal is the possibility that AMR could in fact take AS out from underneath us and as a result all of our feed to our Asian flights would evaporate. I would want that sucker nailed down very tight. I would start with a two billion dollar poison pill, but someone like SWA that desires to really put a hole in DAL's route network could always be willing to pony up the case. That is why, as you state, owning your own flying is the best course of action. It covers our flank for our Asian feed and it keeps the market from getting diluted. These are the top reasons are why I would be more than willing to go though another SLI with the AS pilot group. In the end it would be good for the company, and good for all pilots of both groups. (Lost the feed, lots o big wide body jets on the West Coast are no longer going to need pilots to fill them. Say so long to the ER or 330 base in SEA if that feed goes away) Let remember what the RJ's where bought to do, maintain market relevance, and they failed at that. |
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