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We should apply for LAX-PVG flights and see how long it will take the DOT to DISAPPROVE our request
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OK. The man who wrote a lengthy campaign letter and NEVER ONCE MENTIONED SCOPE has just been elected as ALPA's new President.
To the crowd who want to reform ALPA from within...any new thoughts on the subject? Or are we sticking with the vision? Carl |
Originally Posted by Denny Crane
(Post 884214)
Finis,
From what I have read of the proposed rules, my question is this...........What happens if the company decides to have 48 hour layovers instead of 24? My take from reading the proposed rules is that a 48 hour layover would reset your "base" time to where you are laying over and you could now do a 2 man 9 or 10 hour leg each way based on your "local" departure time. The proposed rules allow 9 hour legs for a "local" base departure between 0500 and 1959 with a 10 hour leg from 0700 to 1259. Some one please correct me if I'm reading the proposed rules wrong.The following is from the NPRM: The FAA proposes to permit a carrier to adjust where the flightcrew member of operations for 72 hours or has been given at least 36 consecutive hours free from duty.enters the FDP as an acclimated crew member if the individual has been in a new theater Denny Edit: You could fly a 9 hour leg over and 10 hour leg back. |
Originally Posted by finis72
(Post 884325)
Denny, I reread the proposal and I believe you are correct. Ouch ! Legal and safe are 2 different avenues here.
I totally agree with your sentiment. Denny |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 884323)
OK. The man who wrote a lengthy campaign letter and NEVER ONCE MENTIONED SCOPE has just been elected as ALPA's new President.
To the crowd who want to reform ALPA from within...any new thoughts on the subject? Or are we sticking with the vision? Carl Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't each PILOT group vote on every scope relief decision. I believe there is not one single instance of ALPA forcing any pilot group into relieving scope to benefit a regional pilot group, is there. Stop blaming ALPA for the votes of the majority on each property. Regardless of whatever the new prez writes, he does not decide scope relief or restoration on ANY ALPA property. We all need to look in the mirror to solve this problem. The best thing for mainline pilots and regional pilots alike is to get rid of as many RJ's as possible. The only way to do that is to realize that WE, as in mainline pilots, are the ones who gave that flying away to begin with. |
That brings up the safety of the 24 hour international SC. If they're not safe enough to fly domestically, why are they now magically safe to fly to Manaus or some other international location. Does the DAL legal team really think that they wouldn't be sued into yesterday on an international screwup potentially linked to crew rest?
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Originally Posted by Superdad
(Post 884330)
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't each PILOT group vote on every scope relief decision. I believe there is not one single instance of ALPA forcing any pilot group into relieving scope to benefit a regional pilot group, is there.
Stop blaming ALPA for the votes of the majority on each property. Regardless of whatever the new prez writes, he does not decide scope relief or restoration on ANY ALPA property. We all need to look in the mirror to solve this problem. The best thing for mainline pilots and regional pilots alike is to get rid of as many RJ's as possible. The only way to do that is to realize that WE, as in mainline pilots, are the ones who gave that flying away to begin with. Carl |
Originally Posted by Superdad
(Post 884330)
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't each PILOT group vote on every scope relief decision. I believe there is not one single instance of ALPA forcing any pilot group into relieving scope to benefit a regional pilot group, is there.
Stop blaming ALPA for the votes of the majority on each property. Regardless of whatever the new prez writes, he does not decide scope relief or restoration on ANY ALPA property. We all need to look in the mirror to solve this problem. The best thing for mainline pilots and regional pilots alike is to get rid of as many RJ's as possible. The only way to do that is to realize that WE, as in mainline pilots, are the ones who gave that flying away to begin with. Time think hard about DPA. |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 884334)
OK...I guess we've got 1 for sticking with the vision. :eek:
Carl I am not sticking for any vision. You have got to stop blaming ALPA for all that ails this pilot group, because it is just not accurate. ALPA national has little to no control over what goes on at the local level, they offer resources and guidance. Sometimes their guidance is wrong, but it is up to each pilot group to make that decision, ALPA does not do it for you. Delta pilots voted for every single scope concession that has taken place, ALPA did not force any of it. Lee Moak did not make those decisions for you. One of the first things I learned when I was an ALPA rep for my regional, is that you can say no to ALPA and they must abide by your decision. The national officers are not running the show, your pilot group is. I want to get rid of all the RJ's just like you, but ALPA cannot do it for us, we must impose our will on our negotiators to get what we want. And if they bring us back something that we don't like, then we vote NO! It really is that simple. |
Originally Posted by capncrunch
(Post 884337)
What do you propose we do? I'm curious how you see us convincing RJ lifers that they do not want bigger aircraft but that they want less of the RJs they have.
Time think hard about DPA. |
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