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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 883867)

Take heart everyone...just got the new logo if we merge with Alaska...

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_9n3hp9td5Is/TL...B8Wc0/Carl.jpg

Carl

Great job, Carl! We might have created a monster. :eek:

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Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 883872)

Setting aside the issue of whether we are right to fixate on a next merger... why is it that several of you argue for fences? I view fences as a corrective mechanism to fix an imperfect SLI. If the SLI is done right, people get to move around the system, and use their seniority how they see fit. The pre-merger equities are mixed in so that the post-merger equities don't result in any windfall. If someone is fenced off, i.e. prevented from using their seniority, chances are it's because they were given too much seniority in the SLI, realtive to what they brought to the table.

Either way, I don't see how the Alaska pilots (for example) would need to be fenced off our equipment to protect us. In a relative ratio methodology, they presumably wouldn't be able to invade our categories. It's not really much of a base issue, since we have a lot of bases in common, in the half of the country where they're more likely to live. A fair relative ratio approach wouldn't put many of them in a position to bid WB equipment. So wouldn't it better to advocate for a fenceless, relative-ratio approach that would follow recent precedents, including our own?

You don't need a fence if you don't have expansion in the wb categories and no reductions in SEA or LAX, right? A natural fence.

And if 1,400 Alaska pilots go screaming off the 737 to WB's then there are 1,400 737 spots now open. Something tells me that most Alaska pilots don't live east of the Rockies, would that be a safe bet? Maybe for every threat there is to a WB position from an Alaska pilot there is an opportunity for a DAL pilot who has been downgraded or displaced from the west coast.

As to WB flying, we've got what, over 1000 pilots on ATL MD88 in both seats. If I'm not mistaken, every pre-2010 hire could hold 7ER somewhere. I think the top 60%ish of ATL 88 for instance are pre 2007 hires, all capable of going to ATL ER. Hence, not everyone runs to WB's and I'm sure most Alaska pilots are content with 737s and west coast domestic flying. I just seriously doubt there would be a 737 surplus on the west coast with Alaska.

But I'm assuming.

In a short lived moment of optimism:

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...g?t=1286935801

That is totally awesome!

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 883034)

We asked about that. Attrition is a big unkown until more people start hitting the 65 mandatory.
I got the impression that guys have already been staying beyond 60 at a higher rate than anybody anticipated.
They thought more NWA pilots that still have their defined benefit would leave. They haven't.

Exactally, the guys that were gong to leave took the prip and are gone. You are not going to see many guys go until the 65 mandatory hits. Thanks again Prater. You will have the occasional retirement but nothing significant.:mad:

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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot (Post 883885)

I think you would be very wrong...... The green guys who have been chomping at the bit to fly the whale for years would jump all over that.

No more Green or Red Guys....not for a few years.

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Originally Posted by Nosmo King (Post 883044)

Partially because the retiree medical benefits suck compared to the fNW contract. Fix it and see how many retire earlier than under the present circumstances...

^^^^^^^^^^^THIS!!!!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Was outta here on early retirement but the medical forced me to stick around.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 883855)

NewKnow;
Trust me I agree 100% At a min we will have two airlines that have no furloughs. (HA or AS) We recently hired and may do so again. HA is hiring and the latest vacancy bid at AS shows more furloughed pilot returning.

I know I want as much seniority as I could get with either one of them. I personally think that HA would be easier since they have the same spectrum of flying we do. AS would hurt if there were not very large fences.

I think AS has guys still furloughed...no?

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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot (Post 883885)

I think you would be very wrong...... The green guys who have been chomping at the bit to fly the whale for years would jump all over that.

The green guys just had their chance and it went all the way down to almost 2200 SSN . That argument is over unless they were to get bumped off the 330.;)

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Originally Posted by JABDIP (Post 883900)

How many total PRIP guys were there??