Airline Pilot Central Forums - Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

As far as the legalities of RLA go, I cannot comment, but I would be remiss to think that at the very least set up two separate divisions of ALPA National.
Having a Mainline and Regional division within ALPA can keep either side focused on the contract needs of their respective divisional sides.
Mainline contract needs and Regional contract needs differ and often oppose one another.

While I am not deeply intimate with all the ins and outs of the RLA, I can't see it being illegal to exclude a specific work group from joining an organized labor group. I've definitely gone out on a limb with that statement, so I could be wrong, however allowing a pilot group access to ALPA while that group is whipsawing another group into contract submission is unconscienceable.
Granted it is difficult to make demands from a non-union group seeking representation, but I don't think it's too much to have certain basic expectations.

Of the few scenarios, a division one tier down is one that I though may work for a lot of ppl. The question then becomes about money.

dragon

10-13-2010 05:22 PM

While you're waiting for 50K, take 5 to watch this. Some great airplanes in action and some not so bad tunes to go with it.

Oshkosh 2010

newKnow

10-13-2010 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 884280)

Yep, now that Alfa did said it, Yep Lee won, and now they are voting for VP's.

Many many rounds of voting. Rice dropped out, It was down to three and Lee won in the last round.

I am glad to see new blood at National. There is lots of work to do.
I will be curious to see what the committee reports bring back. (Like compensation)

It will be interesting to see how we move going forward. I suspect the message will change drastically.

I'm sure I'm ignorant about the national structure of ALPA, but if ever there was a sign of what the image problem is that ALPA must deal with, this is it. Why would anyone ever want to be a VP? What do they do? :confused:

forgot to bid

10-13-2010 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 884392)

67 posts to 50K. Come on guys, FtB has an epic picture we need to put up. Lets get there before he needs to go to bed! :D

Ha, well, in case there is a spirited debate tonight I don't doubt for a moment that we'll pass 50,000. But, FTB is waiving the white flag. A little girl in our house was up from 2-4 screaming, thus da-da who went to bed at 1 was awoken at 2, thus, last night I slept from 1 til 2.

In case someone can't figure out a good cheerleader to post then here is one idea:

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...g?t=1287018735

forgot to bid

10-13-2010 05:32 PM

I was just thinking about the irony:

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...g?t=1287019889

reddog25

10-13-2010 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 884323)

OK. The man who wrote a lengthy campaign letter and NEVER ONCE MENTIONED SCOPE has just been elected as ALPA's new President.

To the crowd who want to reform ALPA from within...any new thoughts on the subject? Or are we sticking with the vision?

Carl

Hey, look at the bright side...at least he's outa DALPA:D

LeineLodge

10-13-2010 05:48 PM

I question how Lee would act if Delta pilots decided to finally state (as the UCAL pilots have) that scope recapture is a goal.

How will he act or support (or probably not) the United pilots if they reach a TA that recaptures scope (ie harms his RJ constituents)?

It keeps coming back to the fundamental conflict of interest. I'm thinking about sending in the DPA card, if for no other reason that to have DALPA and national finally clarify their position on whose interests they have at heart.

flyguy1

10-13-2010 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel1030 (Post 884390)

any news about future hiring..was hearing rumors about more hiring possibly in January?

Captain Dickson said they have to wait for the budget to get set and then a decision will be made on hiring. I think the timeframe for a decision was sometime after January.
He also said that ASMs would be up first quarter about 3% but flat the rest of the year.

Superpilot92

10-13-2010 06:09 PM

just thought i'd add to the count...

Carl Spackler

10-13-2010 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Superdad (Post 884340)

I am not sticking for any vision. You have got to stop blaming ALPA for all that ails this pilot group, because it is just not accurate. ALPA national has little to no control over what goes on at the local level, they offer resources and guidance. Sometimes their guidance is wrong, but it is up to each pilot group to make that decision, ALPA does not do it for you.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

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Originally Posted by Superdad (Post 884340)

Delta pilots voted for every single scope concession that has taken place, ALPA did not force any of it. Lee Moak did not make those decisions for you. One of the first things I learned when I was an ALPA rep for my regional, is that you can say no to ALPA and they must abide by your decision. The national officers are not running the show, your pilot group is.

Do you know how ridiculous you sound coming from your experience at your regional, and telling some of us who have been in ALPA for over 30 years that you know better. Wise up!

Carl

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