I can understand how the thought of prostitutes inevitably comes up when talking about management. But if regional pilots won't stand up for themselves, who will? You remind me of the little brother who gets angry at his big brother for not stepping in to save him from a fight on the playground. The bigger brother knows that it is an important lesson for the little brother to learn. That lesson is: If you don't stand up for yourself, you'll spend the rest of your life under attack.

Carl

Hey Carl, how much are you getting paid to fly that big shiny 747-400?

Not enough, that's how much!

-Fatty

You know exactly how much... so why would you ask?

Carl

Maybe you should follow your own advice and "just say NO"....Nah....It's easier to lecture others about making a stand while you fly a 747 for about $50 bucks an hour more than some RJ captains....

Funny how everyone wants everyone else to take a stand....but they don't do it themselves....Really easy to talk tough when you yourself aren't willing to take a stand....

There is a huge difference between having your pay reduced during hard times, and accepting a job at substandard wages to begin with.

I wasn't sure whether you were ignorant, or just argumentative. Now I see you're just ignorant. Thanks for the clarification.

Let me help you with your ignorance. As a Northwest pilot, my fellow pilots and I endured a financially painful strike in 1998 to hold the line against backward movement and made some important hourly rate gains. How many strikes did your group endure?

The backward movement in pay for NWA was due to a bankruptcy judge acting within his unilateral power. What bankruptcy judge has kept your rates so low?

Carl

So I should have just not gotten into this business in the first place? The pay has always sucked at the bottom. CAL starts people out at $30 an hour first year without health insurance.....I've decided not to take that kinda cut from my current pay, yet people like Carl like to blame others for problems they helped create....Buncha hypocrits......

You want others to make a stand...Why don't you? You guys could have struck if Northwest had thrown out your contract....The Delta pilots could have too....But you all folded like a cheap lawn chair.....Now you talk tough and blame others....

Why don't you quit and work somewhere you can "earn what you are worth".....

You're just a fountain of ignorance today aren't you. Our flight attendants voted to do just that during bankruptcy when the judge gutted their contract. The case was taken to Federal Court. The court ruled that they could NOT strike in bankruptcy. After that ruling, a strike would have been considered an ILLEGAL job action.

Any other questions?

Carl