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Old 11-12-2010 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Hawaii50
Both routes are 767-300ERs. Interesting BOS-LHR will be two flights a day.
Wow, with the amount of pilots who live in Boston and comute to NYC, this will be huge.
Old 11-12-2010 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingViking
Does that mean we are getting 6 day trips back you think?
Low payin 6 days though
NYC-LHR -7
LHR-BOS -7
BOS-LHR -6
LHR-NYC -8

28hr 6 day?
Of course all times are WAGS but good ones i think. And with the NMRP coming around I bet they make them all 2 mans.
Old 11-12-2010 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotFrog
Low payin 6 days though
NYC-LHR -7
LHR-BOS -7
BOS-LHR -6
LHR-NYC -8

28hr 6 day?
Of course all times are WAGS but good ones i think. And with the NMRP coming around I bet they make them all 2 mans.
The NPRM even as currently proposed wouldn't make those two man rotations.

You're correct about the block time, but you forgot duty rig. A 110 hour TAFB would pay about 31+25.
Old 11-12-2010 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
What good does outsourcing flying to a regional really do for you?
I doesn't, and that's why I don't get why everybody is worried about the regionals...

Worried about 76 seaters?
Alaska is permitted 86 seats....

Worried about RJs flying hub to hub?
RJs are capped at 6% of that flying but Alaska can do 25%

Can Alaska merge with oh say Hawaiian and fly 330s to ASIA with the Delta code?
Absolutely...

Folks Read your PWA Section 1 O....
Apart from the 86 seat limit Alaska can do unlimited non hub-to-hub flying worldwide carrying the Delta code...

2 Alaska 737s = 1 Delta 757!

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Old 11-12-2010 | 11:11 AM
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Every time we get into contract negotiations, some buttwipe from corporate communications will issue a press release basically saying that all pilots make a million dollars an hour and only work one day a month. When a typical pilot reads this press release he:

A. Starts crying to his mommy and capitulates immediately
B. Gets more upset and hardens his stance against the company

I mention this only to illustrate that trying to embarrass people in public rarely is successful in changing their mind and almost always will have the opposite effect than is intended.

This leads us to the conflict between the real world populated by adults and by the temper tantrum throwing webboard crowd that more than anything want to emote their feelings in public. (doesn't Dr. Phil have a show for that? Oprah?) In the real world, if you are trying to influence people you have adopt a strategy that will actually work, rather than one that just allows you to emote. Now we all know that throwing a public tantrum is quite satisfying for a few minutes, and for the most ignorant among us it will satisfy their needs totally, but if you embarrass people in public, you better have some other leverage to affect them or you better just go home and quit trying. In the case of a government agency, you have no leverage other than to use the power of persuasion and influence to try to get them to amend their decisions. Once you blow them up in public you might as well talk to the wall.

So we have unions like USAPA, that is considered a giant joke by everyone except themselves, that is able to blow up the TSA in public and then they get to go home because they no longer have any influence at all. Yippee for them, the webboard crowd goes crazy with applause.

Now back to the real world that is populated by adults. If you want to retain influence, you have to avoid the cheap and easy route that is used by USAPA, and you have to continue to try to stay in the game. That means you do not get to trash people in public you have to try to work through the system. That is what ALPA is doing in this issue with the scanners and that is what they have been doing for years. As the only representative of pilots that has any real influence in Washington, they have to act like adults and let the children have their tantrums and walk away.

In the case of Crew Pass, it was ALPA that introduced legislation mandating that the TSA conduct real world tests of the Crew Pass system. It was ALPA that set up the Crew Pass system tests. When the one vendor chosen for the system tests tried to jack up their prices thinking they had a monopoly, it was ALPA that sponsored a vendors conference to force competition in the system and lowered the price by over 20 fold. Now ALPA has gotten the TSA to approve system wide implementation of Crew Pass, and it is now on ALPA's shoulders to find a way to fund it. Where has USAPA, APA, SWAPA, IBT, and the rest been in all of this? AWOL. It is amazing that the only union that has done anything at all on this issue is now tarred because they don't decide to throw a baby temper tantrum and derail the whole process. Really, are you guys in kindergarten or did you actually graduate from college? Sometimes, the brainlessness exhibited here amazes me.

Once again, I write this not to debate the few children that populate this board but the normal thinking adults and those that may come here to read and never post.
Old 11-12-2010 | 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
Every time we get into contract negotiations, some buttwipe from corporate communications will issue a press release basically saying that all pilots make a million dollars an hour and only work one day a month. When a typical pilot reads this press release he:

A. Starts crying to his mommy and capitulates immediately
B. Gets more upset and hardens his stance against the company

I mention this only to illustrate that trying to embarrass people in public rarely is successful in changing their mind and almost always will have the opposite effect than is intended.

This leads us to the conflict between the real world populated by adults and by the temper tantrum throwing webboard crowd that more than anything want to emote their feelings in public. (doesn't Dr. Phil have a show for that? Oprah?) In the real world, if you are trying to influence people you have adopt a strategy that will actually work, rather than one that just allows you to emote. Now we all know that throwing a public tantrum is quite satisfying for a few minutes, and for the most ignorant among us it will satisfy their needs totally, but if you embarrass people in public, you better have some other leverage to affect them or you better just go home and quit trying. In the case of a government agency, you have no leverage other than to use the power of persuasion and influence to try to get them to amend their decisions. Once you blow them up in public you might as well talk to the wall.

So we have unions like USAPA, that is considered a giant joke by everyone except themselves, that is able to blow up the TSA in public and then they get to go home because they no longer have any influence at all. Yippee for them, the webboard crowd goes crazy with applause.

Now back to the real world that is populated by adults. If you want to retain influence, you have to avoid the cheap and easy route that is used by USAPA, and you have to continue to try to stay in the game. That means you do not get to trash people in public you have to try to work through the system. That is what ALPA is doing in this issue with the scanners and that is what they have been doing for years. As the only representative of pilots that has any real influence in Washington, they have to act like adults and let the children have their tantrums and walk away.

In the case of Crew Pass, it was ALPA that introduced legislation mandating that the TSA conduct real world tests of the Crew Pass system. It was ALPA that set up the Crew Pass system tests. When the one vendor chosen for the system tests tried to jack up their prices thinking they had a monopoly, it was ALPA that sponsored a vendors conference to force competition in the system and lowered the price by over 20 fold. Now ALPA has gotten the TSA to approve system wide implementation of Crew Pass, and it is now on ALPA's shoulders to find a way to fund it. Where has USAPA, APA, SWAPA, IBT, and the rest been in all of this? AWOL. It is amazing that the only union that has done anything at all on this issue is now tarred because they don't decide to throw a baby temper tantrum and derail the whole process. Really, are you guys in kindergarten or did you actually graduate from college? Sometimes, the brainlessness exhibited here amazes me.

Once again, I write this not to debate the few children that populate this board but the normal thinking adults and those that may come here to read and never post.
Wow Alfa.... well said!
Old 11-12-2010 | 11:36 AM
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Can someone verify rumors of certain 2000 hour women FOs getting hired at Delta, and if so, how did they get the interview call? Just "internal recommendations"?

I know many with 4000-8000TT+ and half of that TPIC and *with* internal recs and still haven't gotten called from Delta.

So what's the story with the 2000TT wonder hires?
Old 11-12-2010 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
Every time we get into contract negotiations, some buttwipe from corporate communications will issue a press release basically saying that all pilots make a million dollars an hour and only work one day a month. When a typical pilot reads this press release he:

A. Starts crying to his mommy and capitulates immediately
B. Gets more upset and hardens his stance against the company

I mention this only to illustrate that trying to embarrass people in public rarely is successful in changing their mind and almost always will have the opposite effect than is intended.

This leads us to the conflict between the real world populated by adults and by the temper tantrum throwing webboard crowd that more than anything want to emote their feelings in public. (doesn't Dr. Phil have a show for that? Oprah?) In the real world, if you are trying to influence people you have adopt a strategy that will actually work, rather than one that just allows you to emote. Now we all know that throwing a public tantrum is quite satisfying for a few minutes, and for the most ignorant among us it will satisfy their needs totally, but if you embarrass people in public, you better have some other leverage to affect them or you better just go home and quit trying. In the case of a government agency, you have no leverage other than to use the power of persuasion and influence to try to get them to amend their decisions. Once you blow them up in public you might as well talk to the wall.

So we have unions like USAPA, that is considered a giant joke by everyone except themselves, that is able to blow up the TSA in public and then they get to go home because they no longer have any influence at all. Yippee for them, the webboard crowd goes crazy with applause.

Now back to the real world that is populated by adults. If you want to retain influence, you have to avoid the cheap and easy route that is used by USAPA, and you have to continue to try to stay in the game. That means you do not get to trash people in public you have to try to work through the system. That is what ALPA is doing in this issue with the scanners and that is what they have been doing for years. As the only representative of pilots that has any real influence in Washington, they have to act like adults and let the children have their tantrums and walk away.

In the case of Crew Pass, it was ALPA that introduced legislation mandating that the TSA conduct real world tests of the Crew Pass system. It was ALPA that set up the Crew Pass system tests. When the one vendor chosen for the system tests tried to jack up their prices thinking they had a monopoly, it was ALPA that sponsored a vendors conference to force competition in the system and lowered the price by over 20 fold. Now ALPA has gotten the TSA to approve system wide implementation of Crew Pass, and it is now on ALPA's shoulders to find a way to fund it. Where has USAPA, APA, SWAPA, IBT, and the rest been in all of this? AWOL. It is amazing that the only union that has done anything at all on this issue is now tarred because they don't decide to throw a baby temper tantrum and derail the whole process. Really, are you guys in kindergarten or did you actually graduate from college? Sometimes, the brainlessness exhibited here amazes me.

Once again, I write this not to debate the few children that populate this board but the normal thinking adults and those that may come here to read and never post.
Speaking of being an adult. Oh, the irony.
Old 11-12-2010 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Can someone verify rumors of certain 2000 hour women FOs getting hired at Delta, and if so, how did they get the interview call? Just "internal recommendations"?

I know many with 4000-8000TT+ and half of that TPIC and *with* internal recs and still haven't gotten called from Delta.

So what's the story with the 2000TT wonder hires?
You never know the whole story. There was a women in my new hire class with less than 1500 hours. Scandalous!

But she was a Navy pilot, so of course the military folks would have less time.

You don't see people complaining about military guys with less than 2000 hours do you?

Anyway - I have plenty of trust in how our candidates are picked.
Old 11-12-2010 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Can someone verify rumors of certain 2000 hour women FOs getting hired at Delta, and if so, how did they get the interview call? Just "internal recommendations"?

I know many with 4000-8000TT+ and half of that TPIC and *with* internal recs and still haven't gotten called from Delta.

So what's the story with the 2000TT wonder hires?
1) Minority
2) Ex DAL employee
3) Intern
4) Women in aviation...the 69's or something like that
5) Hiring dept of old airline, therefore buddy buddy with DAL hiring peps
6) Some real good connections....

just to name a few!!
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