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11-12-2010, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
What many fail to realize is that once you get the regional airlines out from underneath our financial as well as voting influence in the ALPA National structure you will have all of these regionals going after your flying. See RJET and Frontier for a warm up to how bad this will get. Look at AA and Eagle and see what happens when you have two different unions representing pilots under the same corporate structure.
There may be some ugly battles within ALPA, but at Bar states, they are dealt with "In house" and not at the table between three parties. Dump alpa and this is exactly what you will see.
There may be some ugly battles within ALPA, but at Bar states, they are dealt with "In house" and not at the table between three parties. Dump alpa and this is exactly what you will see.
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11-12-2010, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
ACL,
Reading this statement makes me think that you think the regionals in ALPA are inside our (the Majors) scope of control and can be held in check. If so, how can this not be a DFR issue with ALPA National????
Denny
Reading this statement makes me think that you think the regionals in ALPA are inside our (the Majors) scope of control and can be held in check. If so, how can this not be a DFR issue with ALPA National????
Denny
Currently the do not tie though their scope the creators of the code to their flying. DAL or UAL et al have though successive agreements allowed these cutouts. They do not have the right to expand or contract that flying, only the person with exclusivity does. That would be us.
My point is what would preclude them from going and talking to our management team with DPA? Our exclusivity agreement, but they as well as the company would know that they would sign an agreement for this flying, they would fly it and we would need to take them to court.
As this progressed over the weeks and years though litigation and the courts, more flying would be outsource further weakening our bargning position. We may win the case eventually, but not after the damage has been done.
By keeping ourselves within the same union as the majority of these airlines, we keep a detente. They know that they would not get the funding from us or the airlines unless they left ALPA. What we are doing now is working to bring their contracts up, and at the same time restore these cutouts. (See UAL-CAL) If were were trying the same thing in an independent these guys would not be rallying behind us because there would be no benefit to them, they would be fighting us at the same time we are fighting the company, the RAA and the ATA. There is no way that DPA or any other independent would have the resources to win that battle without some major casualties.
Currently these regionals within ALPA know not to go against the grain. RJET is trying with getting on with the Star alliance, but the power of ALPA within the star alliance, and at UAL-CAL is making these guys think twice about it. Add the regionals of ALPA to the mix and they may play ball.
WRT, SKW with them the airlines are smart enough not to mess with that too much. It allows them to whipsaw the other WO regionals they own, and if they are not careful SKW will become ALPA. I do agree that we need to make it valuable for them to become ALPA and to tighten up scope. The best results will come from doing this within ALPA.
11-12-2010, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
Hate to tell you this but that's happening now......
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11-12-2010, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Do not mistake them fighting among each other for the outsources flying for going after yours. There is a big difference. They are merely fighting for the scraps that are left, not for your 100 seat flying.
I respect a lot of what you say/post. But the truth is the regional pilots would love our flying. I know regional guys post on here for us to take back the flying but what they really mean is take back the flying as long as I get a job at the majors, big difference. I did the regional gig for 10 years and have many friends who are still there so I know what is meant by take it back.
11-12-2010, 09:29 AM
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What good does outsourcing flying to a regional really do for you?
11-12-2010, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Hawaii50
Both routes are 767-300ERs. Interesting BOS-LHR will be two flights a day.
11-12-2010, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Hawaii50
Both routes are 767-300ERs. Interesting BOS-LHR will be two flights a day.
11-12-2010, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingViking
Does that mean we are getting 6 day trips back you think?
NYC-LHR -7
LHR-BOS -7
BOS-LHR -6
LHR-NYC -8
28hr 6 day?
Of course all times are WAGS but good ones i think. And with the NMRP coming around I bet they make them all 2 mans.
11-12-2010, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotFrog
Low payin 6 days though
NYC-LHR -7
LHR-BOS -7
BOS-LHR -6
LHR-NYC -8
28hr 6 day?
Of course all times are WAGS but good ones i think. And with the NMRP coming around I bet they make them all 2 mans.
NYC-LHR -7
LHR-BOS -7
BOS-LHR -6
LHR-NYC -8
28hr 6 day?
Of course all times are WAGS but good ones i think. And with the NMRP coming around I bet they make them all 2 mans.
You're correct about the block time, but you forgot duty rig. A 110 hour TAFB would pay about 31+25.
11-12-2010, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
What good does outsourcing flying to a regional really do for you?
Worried about 76 seaters?
Alaska is permitted 86 seats....
Worried about RJs flying hub to hub?
RJs are capped at 6% of that flying but Alaska can do 25%
Can Alaska merge with oh say Hawaiian and fly 330s to ASIA with the Delta code?
Absolutely...
Folks Read your PWA Section 1 O....
Apart from the 86 seat limit Alaska can do unlimited non hub-to-hub flying worldwide carrying the Delta code...
2 Alaska 737s = 1 Delta 757!
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