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Old 11-23-2010, 07:25 AM
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Needed as in past tense?? Do they have the authorization then to start the hiring?

Needed as in when this Senior Exec stated this info, they were in need of it. (approval) Needed as in the conversation took place in the past tense.
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Old 11-23-2010, 07:26 AM
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FYP;
A Cash settlement was "rumored" to be part of the deal on the 788 that was announced a month or so back, so DAL may in fact have that deal and issues dealt with!
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Old 11-23-2010, 07:35 AM
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The MD90s do add a twist, but I guess I was looking at the fact that Delta didn't have anything smaller than the MD88 prior to the merger. The DC9s are good because they are paid for, and can be parked if fuel goes up again. I don't know what the going rate for a 717. Two CR9s can serve a market better than a single DC9, the frequency attracts business travelers. A leisure traveler doesn't usually care how often a flight goes, as long as it gets there and the fare is cheap. The business traveler wants the frequency, so I think it would be more attractive to network. The 2 CR9s might be cheaper than a single DC9. However, the company can't add many (or any, not sure, paging ACL...) more CR9s because of scope. They can add any number of mainline aircraft.
The only thing I'd say is frequency is giving way to capacity control nowadays. If a market needs 140 seats (two CRJ900s), enter 88. If the market needs 120 seats I think a 717 does better than 2 CRJ-900s.

Also, from what I looked up, AAI is paying around $140K a month for a 717. Since leases are usually about 1% per month the value of the aircraft you're looking at $14M 717s. Makes sense if slightly older MD90s are coming in around $8-12M.

Now a CRJ-900, according to a couple of articles, is nearly $35-$40M a copy at, mind you, list price. But still, if you cut the price in half you're still buying a 70 seater for more than a almost new 717.

But that's from me, which means nothing.
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Old 11-23-2010, 07:37 AM
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FtB;
That is the logic used on the MD-90 so it makes a ton of sense to me. The only issue with the 717 is those darn engines.
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Old 11-23-2010, 07:37 AM
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Woops, met Jet Airways. I had the AWST MRO Magazine Article on Jets Star opened. My bad.

T-Write your reps, they are the ones that forward the suggestions.
I just looked on the dalpa website, and the old guys addys are there.. I have a burning issue right now, and I wanna strike while I am still ****ed off. Too bad I cannot get in touch with them....
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot View Post
Woops, met Jet Airways. I had the AWST MRO Magazine Article on Jets Star opened. My bad.

T-Write your reps, they are the ones that forward the suggestions.
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The 66 guys that are there, the ones that lost the election, are still the guys that are in charge until March 1st.
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Old 11-23-2010, 07:40 AM
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I am a waiting.
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Old 11-23-2010, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer View Post
The MD90s do add a twist, but I guess I was looking at the fact that Delta didn't have anything smaller than the MD88 prior to the merger. The DC9s are good because they are paid for, and can be parked if fuel goes up again. I don't know what the going rate for a 717. Two CR9s can serve a market better than a single DC9, the frequency attracts business travelers. A leisure traveler doesn't usually care how often a flight goes, as long as it gets there and the fare is cheap. The business traveler wants the frequency, so I think it would be more attractive to network. The 2 CR9s might be cheaper than a single DC9. However, the company can't add many (or any, not sure, paging ACL...) more CR9s because of scope. They can add any number of mainline aircraft.

Maybe - now that we have another simulator, it makes it easier to have more A330s. Yes, Boeing does owe us money, but everyone here seems to think it's a lot of money. I doubt it's more than $100 million, max. That might be the price of half a new 330. Second, Boeing is more likely to give us a deal on 777s than the competitor's airplanes.

2%-3% growth rate at Delta might mean 240-360 new hires. Now, that means actually nothing, because the 2-3% growth for 2011 is total airline capacity. It includes parking CRJs and adding mainline, so we may have to have more bodies. Also, from what they said last year, they have hired for 2011, any hiring next year is for 2012, which they haven't talked about growth. Finally, as SD says, they staff for block hours, which doesn't directly connect to airline capacity.

I'm all for new hires, so I won't say we won't hire that amount, I'm just saying that who knows. Retirements aren't required yet, and we are seeing big majority of pilots stay past 60.
The 787 penalty was in the hundreds of millions the last I heard. While the company says they are happy with the a/c we have, reference Air France last week who said they are not adding growth but "recovery" from the cutbacks due to the recession. They can spin it any way they want it. We will do the same. Saudi Arabian has shown interest in joining SkyTeam. Perhaps this and their 90s would be a nice cover charge to join. Lots of WBs with low time are floating around. If we can get them for cheap I would expect us to do so. It reduces the pain trying to replace 150 WBs all at once in 10 years.

As far as staffing I agree with you. To early to tell right now. Retirements aren't happening like many thought they would. Here's hoping that North Korea doesn't screw things up for 2011.
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Old 11-23-2010, 07:53 AM
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As far as staffing I agree with you. To early to tell right now. Retirements aren't happening like many thought they would. Here's hoping that North Korea doesn't screw things up for 2011.
Darn Black Swans
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