Originally Posted by iceman49

Nothing really new, politics operating as normal...pretty typical National Review.

Originally Posted by johnso29

Yeah, our RSV rules SUCK.

Originally Posted by FedElta

Hey Satch,

Here's some background for ya': I spent 30 years at a purple cargo outfit with a unique payscale. We had Cap, fo/ so rates based on narrow body, and widebody rates going out to 15 years. later, we added A380 rates for that a/c alone.

When the a380 order was cancelled and the 777 substituted, the pilots/union lost a grievance for the 777 to pay 380 rates.....I'm sure the union boys will try to recover boosts to the 777 rate when the company comes sniffing for ULR rules.

Negotiated bumps are included for night/ intl/ etc. I felt this system was a good compromise between UPS ( cap or fo only ) and industry norm of a/c & seat specific.

It reduces the need to chase seats/ bases for a payraise, ie: the last years of my career, I stayed on the A300 instead of going to the MD11. Same pay, much better qol...for me.

The company wins with this system as it greatly reduces training events ,and keeps more guys actually available for line flying.

Here's the trick : use the reduction in training costs (big) and bump top tier pay for Carl, without a paycut for other groups....you could probably come close to cost-neutral for the company and give everyone an acceptable payrate increase, and better qol.

Maybe something like this: Super premium widebody(ha),744 &330,,,widebody,767.....narrow body, 757,MD90/88, A320/319, DC9.
Big bumps for night/ intl, etc.

I'm not advocating this, so save the arrows/ mortars, etc.......you asked how this might be implemented.

Regards

Originally Posted by caddis

Thanks flyer. In my short time on reserve, 10 days, I have come to believe our Res system is lacking.

Here are some of my main gripes.

1. 70 hours pay.
2. Why does a Res pilot get paid less on a trip then a Reg pilot?
3. 70 hours pay should mean if I get to 70 I should be done unless I want to fly more
4 Switching days off. There has to be a better way then the arbitrary capping of days.
5. RAW score...need I say more

I live in base and would be willing to sit Reserve on a regular basis if the pay and a few QOL items were fixed.

Originally Posted by NWA320pilot

I actually like the DAL rules better than the NWA rules. Well except for the 70 hour guarantee.

Originally Posted by caddis

While there are some items better...less SC better LC rules. My big things are pay guarantee and the fact that they can hold on to you up to ALV, this month is 82 hours

Originally Posted by satchip

As opposed to the politics free NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, New Republic, Time, Newsweek, USN&WR, etc etc etc? Need I go on?

Originally Posted by johnso29

Didn't scheduling at NWA have reserves until almost 85 hours? That's what I remember.

Originally Posted by Columbia

Thanks, Fedelta. Very interesting. I certainly would like to see more open discussions involving the streamling of payrates across fleets across the industry. I would guess many senior widebody pilots would love an opportunity to fly a 737 domestically, during the day, to include out and backs as long as they weren't significantly pay penalized. There's something to be said about crossing only 2 time zones and spending a long overnight in San Diego or NYC!

Originally Posted by Hawaii50

One other thing. As the company has converted 767 domestic to 7ER categories, the short calls have gone from 12 hours to 24 hours long which really sucks IMO. We've have basically allowed them to reap the benefits of these conversions, including fewer reserves required in the combined category, without a peep from us.