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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 920025)
Prater's Pilot to Pilot letter in the December Air Line Pilot, states:
"Sometimes we blame other pilots for what has happened in our own careers ... . Sometimes we even blame other pilots for flying airplanes we gave up the right to fly." The reality is that ALPA is a huge army of labor that National has chosen not to unite. Each airline is a foxhole that is so far separated from the next foxhole that management can run through our line all day long. It's getting to the point where a different general is not enough. After reading Prater's article, it reaffirmed my conclusion that ALPA does not understand the basics of trade unionism. At the highest level, our leadership fails to grasp the concept that unity (as in all flying performed by seniority list pilots they represent) is the foundation that gives our association relevance. Completely agree. Cap'n, Moak was in the best position to obtain expansion for the regionals here at Delta, where we voted for our outsourcing schemes. We negotiate our contracts and it will be up to you, me, Tim O'Malley and another 12,000 pilots what we decide to outsource in the future. Our MEC says we will not erode scope further. I trust them, but will verify and lead a no vote campaign against further outsourcing if it happens. Overall, I think (hope) the political tide has shifted on outsourcing. Everyone here on APC has played a role in educating our pilots on the issue and shares some credit for that shift.The DPA has an uphill battle. A union's foundation is built on the concept of creating and representing a monopoly on labor. Structurally, the DPA does not have that tool in its tool box. ALPA may have the tool but it does no good if they leave it in the box. Fundamentally I think we agree. How to get there still remains a question. If ALPA can and will do it, good deal. |
The current generation of pilots may be a loss in regards to unity but the future pilots don't have to be. One option would be that ALPA builds our profession into a guild starting with the next gen of pilots. As soon as they get their commercial rating they get their seniority in the guild. In some matter they slowly very slowly transition to the national number/guild system. The next gen will get to tell management what pilots costs. We could even have a menu. Want a 767 pilot, no prob, here is what it costs.
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Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 920023)
Unfortunately it does. :(
Scoop
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 920032)
Yes, the contract does not define a 24 hr break as one at home or off of company business. The 24hr sit in a hotel does constitute the required break for the FAR's and for the PWA.
Used it may times myself to keep flying. Thanks guys. I just found it ackward that scheduling dropped my SC exactly 24 hours prior to my next trip, while I just had a 27 hour layover in Europe. Hmmm, oh well. It's setting me up for good paying GS's over the holidays so it's all good. |
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
(Post 920041)
Fundamentally I think we agree. How to get there still remains a question. If ALPA can and will do it, good deal.
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Not flame baiting ... but if you want to grab your popcorn, go ahead.
Did the pilots from the north say goodbye to the passengers as they deplaned? -Fatty |
Delta drops smaller online travel sites
Delta has dropped several small online travel agency sites “as it tries to increase bookings coming directly through delta.com,” according to the Atlanta-Journal Constitution. "Delta has notified several smaller online travel agency websites including CheapOAir.com, OneTravel.com and BookIt.com that it has terminated their appointment as authorized travel agents, effective Dec. 17,” Delta said in a statement. Delta’s customers will still be able to book on the largest travel Web sites including Orbitz, Travelocity, Expedia and Priceline. Glen Hauenstein, e.v.p.-Network Planning, Revenue Management and Marketing, who discussed online travel agencies at the company's Investor Day last week, said some distribution channels have "enormous value," while others "are of less value." “Delta's preference is to have a channel to its best customers that is as direct as possible, and the airline would like to grow the percentage of business coming directly through delta.com for certain travel segments,” said Glen. “Selling more tickets directly through Delta's Web site can decrease fees the airline pays and thus reduce the cost of distribution,” the report said. |
Originally Posted by capncrunch
(Post 920044)
The current generation of pilots may be a loss in regards to unity but the future pilots don't have to be. One option would be that ALPA builds our profession into a guild starting with the next gen of pilots. As soon as they get their commercial rating they get their seniority in the guild. In some matter they slowly very slowly transition to the national number/guild system. The next gen will get to tell management what pilots costs. We could even have a menu. Want a 767 pilot, no prob, here is what it costs.
Its a great concept. There are issues. The first of course is the RLA. It would not allow what your propose. The second big issue with a NSA is getting management to hire pilots off the list. If you a junior pilot at airline and everytime management hires they hire a guy in senior to you then you wont be happy. SWA has generated tremendous pilot loyalty by mostly internal growth. That has now changed and as growth has ended there and mergers becoming a reality you can see the discontent within the pilot group growing. The first thing you have to do is figure out how to get rid of the RLA. Its the biggest single issue facing all pilots. Until that happens a true national union can never be a reality. |
Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
(Post 920088)
Not flame baiting ... but if you want to grab your popcorn, go ahead.
Did the pilots from the north say goodbye to the passengers as they deplaned? -Fatty Pre merger I rode DAL when I was at my regional & saw times where they didn't say good-bye. |
Johnso, I'm not talking onesies and twosies. Did the company push it? Were you taught to do it during training? I agree not everyone from the South did it/does it. And there are times when you have to get to your next flight because of running late or a tight connection time built on the rotation itself.
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