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acl65pilot 01-21-2011 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 933981)


Sir that will need to fit in an overhead bin or underneath the seat in front of you.

tsquare 01-21-2011 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 933980)
That is the problem the ring is brass, not gold! :eek:

Point taken... but I still want to know why it ends at 12 years. I have never gotten a good explanation for that. And everyone should also realize that NOBODY gets a payraise after next year.. sorry.. pay increase...

maddogmax 01-21-2011 01:42 PM

The NWA/REP pilots spent a lot of time and money resolving the A330/DC-10 issue. I would hate to see that happen here.

acl65pilot 01-21-2011 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 933986)
Point taken... but I still want to know why it ends at 12 years. I have never gotten a good explanation for that. And everyone should also realize that NOBODY gets a payraise after next year.. sorry.. pay increase...


The reality is that unless you can get a percentage increase or the like above year 12 there is no point. I am sure the company would love to do what Evergreen does and have a 20+ year pay scale that lets you hit your current pay at year 20. :eek:

Point is be careful what you wish for.

acl65pilot 01-21-2011 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by maddogmax (Post 933988)
The NWA/REP pilots spent a lot of time and money resolving the A330/DC-10 issue. I would hate to see that happen here.


They are only five year fences. For that reason, I think issues will be quickly resolved.

tsquare 01-21-2011 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 933990)
The reality is that unless you can get a percentage increase or the like above year 12 there is no point. I am sure the company would love to do what Evergreen does and have a 20+ year pay scale that lets you hit your current pay at year 20. :eek:

Point is be careful what you wish for.

I have done a lot more on this than spontaneous writing here on this subject. I have a lot of numbers that I have crunched, and your comparison to Evergreen is ridiculous, and not even in the same line of reasoning as I have been tracking. But to humor you... on back of the napkin figuring.. no slide rule involved... we are leaving 1.6 million (per pilot) on the table.. Interested now?

acl65pilot 01-21-2011 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 933993)
I have done a lot more on this than spontaneous writing here on this subject. I have a lot of numbers that I have crunched, and your comparison to Evergreen is ridiculous, and not even in the same line of reasoning as I have been tracking. But to humor you... on back of the napkin figuring.. no slide rule involved... we are leaving 1.6 million (per pilot) on the table.. Interested now?


I am always interested in ways to better our pilot group. Send me the data.

My point is that if we have figured it out so has the other side.

tsquare 01-21-2011 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 933995)
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My point is that if we have figured it out so has the other side.

The other side has us working for 1990 wages. If the negotiators that you are so enamored with are as good as you think they are, they should be able to convince management that we are not going to work for 1990 wages anymore. I don't care what the other side has figured out really... what I care about is if they are going to be in a snowball fight with Randy Johnson... but all that is beside the point.

Gotta go preflight.

Ciao!

buzzpat 01-21-2011 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 933616)
Well...
Tomorrow is my last day in USAF, fini flight too. So I'm about to turn in my "return to Delta" from 5 years of MLOA about. I've been reading here for 5 months or so. Couple questions though, if anyone knows the answers. I was hired in Jul2001, did my IOE checkride 9/10 and flew until Nov 2001, then furloughed. Recalled 2006, took it and immediate MLOA. So only three months of flying active, then "back" but on MLOA
1. Am I still on probation when I come back, or was that waived?
2. Am I on 1st year pay when I come back, or will it be from the pay charts?
3. If I tell the company I'm avail to come back 1 Mar, will I have my choice of aircraft/base that I can hold from the seniority list, or do I get some NYC thing?
4. Is there any reason to rush-call them before the AE bid closes 28 Jan, anything I gain by trying to be "in system" before bid closes?
5. My plan was to see what I can hold after AE and bid accordingly, assuming I have my choice... What's better, SLC 73N B @63% , or SLC 320 B @ 61%? (Phx commute) Or 7ER reserve at bottom in LAX or SLC?

Take a break from the contract arguing and help an old noob out! ;)

Hey Roadkill, welcome back. I am retired USAF and deferred my recall a bit so I can probably answer most of your questions. In fact, I think I was in the class just ahead of you in June 2001 and furloughed with you in Nov 01.

1. You are not on probation when you return. The furlough took care of that.
2. You'll be paid based on your seniority from your date of hire minus the MLOA I think.
3. You can go to any equipment/base your seniority can hold.
4. Hmmm, don't know. I'd let them know ASAP and get back into the system so they can start working your slot and your training. This is a relatively small AE and shouldn't really matter much in the grand scheme of things unless you were hoping for an MD88 position as they are now overmanned.
5. Two % points is nothing. Commuting to reserve, however, is. You'd be a line holder in SLC and on reserve in LAX. Much easier to commute to a line and much better QOL, IMHO.

Hope it helps. Welcome back!

Buzz

acl65pilot 01-21-2011 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 933996)
The other side has us working for 1990 wages. If the negotiators that you are so enamored with are as good as you think they are, they should be able to convince management that we are not going to work for 1990 wages anymore. I don't care what the other side has figured out really... what I care about is if they are going to be in a snowball fight with Randy Johnson... but all that is beside the point.

Gotta go preflight.

Ciao!

Wages which we voted for. Remember that. Also remember that contrary to popular belief the negotiators are directed to go for what the pilots want. Want pay no matter what, of course they have to give in other areas. It is the nature of the business. Especially in section six.

Enjoy your crossing.


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