Originally Posted by Brocc15

You guys seem a little harsh... When I'm deadheading I have trouble getting my bag in the overhead because it is hard to lift it above my head and then maneuver it into the overhead. Usually someone sees me struggling and helps me. I never ask for help, and certainly don't expect it, and if you have back problems then you certainly shouldn't be the one helping people, but I don't understand why guys are on here bragging about not helping people. Seems a little against the Delta company culture. I CAN do it but it is hard and usually takes me awhile blocking the aisle, so it is always greatly appreciated when someone lends a hand.

I can do the emergency exit no problem...pulling a 40 lb door out is a lot easier than hoisting a bag above your head.

One thing I really like about Delta is that their employees usually seem to go out of their way to help eachother as well as passengers

Originally Posted by slowplay

So if in your view ALPA hadn't "caved" and kept the pay far higher and there had been no profit sharing...how would the dues have worked out on the higher pay? Let's call it 6.52% higher so the math is easy for you, groundskeeper.

Originally Posted by Brocc15

You guys seem a little harsh... When I'm deadheading I have trouble getting my bag in the overhead because it is hard to lift it above my head and then maneuver it into the overhead. Usually someone sees me struggling and helps me. I never ask for help, and certainly don't expect it, and if you have back problems then you certainly shouldn't be the one helping people, but I don't understand why guys are on here bragging about not helping people. Seems a little against the Delta company culture. I CAN do it but it is hard and usually takes me awhile blocking the aisle, so it is always greatly appreciated when someone lends a hand.

I can do the emergency exit no problem...pulling a 40 lb door out is a lot easier than hoisting a bag above your head.

One thing I really like about Delta is that their employees usually seem to go out of their way to help eachother as well as passengers

Originally Posted by Denny Crane

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not so I'll assume not.

Since we have been the only major union on Delta property pretty much any thing we have negotiated to the good in previous contracts has been extended to the non-contract employees (the rest of the company) in some form or another. I'm sure this was done to keep other unions from getting a foothold here. If the company gives them what we negotiate, why do they need a union? A perfect example is profit sharing. We negotiated it and the company gave it to the rest of the employees. If we negotiate a raise, guess what, the rest of the employee groups get a raise. It may not be the same percentage but they get one too. It's also the reason some of the items we try to negotiate with the company during contract time run into more friction than you would think. The company may be okay giving it to us but they don't want to give it to the rest of the employee group. Example, the company hasn't wanted to give us PS on the second flight for commuting purposes...........they don't want to have to extend it to the flight attendants as well.

I'm not saying this is right but it is the world we live in at Delta. Or at least it has been. Post-merger the union issue with other employee groups has yet to be decided. If the union votes being appealed are upheld I fully expect the company to continue as they have in the past.

Denny

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

I don't really care about paying ALPA dues on our profit sharing. I do care about ALPA taking those dues and facilitating the outsourcing that easily cost me over a million in lifetime earnings due to stagnation, loss of longevity and whipsaw.

Originally Posted by Brocc15

You guys seem a little harsh... When I'm deadheading I have trouble getting my bag in the overhead because it is hard to lift it above my head and then maneuver it into the overhead. Usually someone sees me struggling and helps me. I never ask for help, and certainly don't expect it, and if you have back problems then you certainly shouldn't be the one helping people, but I don't understand why guys are on here bragging about not helping people. Seems a little against the Delta company culture. I CAN do it but it is hard and usually takes me awhile blocking the aisle, so it is always greatly appreciated when someone lends a hand.

I can do the emergency exit no problem...pulling a 40 lb door out is a lot easier than hoisting a bag above your head.

One thing I really like about Delta is that their employees usually seem to go out of their way to help eachother as well as passengers

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Personal responsibility can sometimes come off as harsh. It would not be possible for me to pack a suitcase under the assumption that others would carry it for me. Impossible. But that's because I make my own decisions and abide by the consequences thereof.

Your characterization of this as people unwilling to help is an insult to the concept of help. Help is there for those who cannot do for themselves...not for those who will not.

Carl

Originally Posted by Brocc15

You guys seem a little harsh... When I'm deadheading I have trouble getting my bag in the overhead because it is hard to lift it above my head and then maneuver it into the overhead. Usually someone sees me struggling and helps me. I never ask for help, and certainly don't expect it, and if you have back problems then you certainly shouldn't be the one helping people, but I don't understand why guys are on here bragging about not helping people. Seems a little against the Delta company culture. I CAN do it but it is hard and usually takes me awhile blocking the aisle, so it is always greatly appreciated when someone lends a hand.

I can do the emergency exit no problem...pulling a 40 lb door out is a lot easier than hoisting a bag above your head.

One thing I really like about Delta is that their employees usually seem to go out of their way to help eachother as well as passengers

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

Maybe you need to go the gym. How old are you? Maybe it's time you retire.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Hopefully now that there are 5000 plus fNWA pilots here, this stuff will stop. All of these statements from management as to why they can't do something for pilots in negotiations deserves this answer: "NOT MY PROBLEM."

As bad as the NMB is these days, not even they would agree to a management argument that states: "Well if we give it to the pilots, we have to give it to everybody." It will require the fDAL pilots to completely walk away from this particularly dysfunctional part of the old Delta culture however. I hope it happens.

Carl