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Old 03-30-2011 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
Glad to know it's working well for you, hoser. You mean you don't lay awake at night worrying about what would happen if you left your account up on your computer, and the cat walked across the keyboard and accidentally sold your stock at the wrong time?
One of thousands of reasons to not have a cat.
Old 03-30-2011 | 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
Sigh...

That's not the objective of this method. Yes, it is designed so that you never sell stock for a loss. But it is NOT designed to make much on the sale of the stock when you do sell it. You do generally make some capital appreciation. But the vast majority of the return comes from the cash flow that is generated while you own the stock. Have I mentioned that is the objective?

Yes, the method screens for stocks that are good candidates for generating cash flow and are not likely to go bankrupt. There is no attempt being made to predict whether a stock is going to go up or down over any particular time frame.

Maybe we need to get our own thread to discuss this over in the "Money" section?
What is cash flow while you own the stock? Dividends? So buy good stocks with dividends? Got it.

In all seriousness, I know nothing about investing. I just ragging on this method a little bit. $2500 seems like a lot for a two day workshop. It really does seem like one of those TV ads.

On a different note, I had a friend give me a bottle of Mona Vie. That stuff tastes horrible. I would rather drink 2 oz of scotch twice a day. According to wikipedia, the health benefits might be about the same.
Old 03-30-2011 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
Sigh...

That's not the objective of this method. Yes, it is designed so that you never sell stock for a loss. But it is NOT designed to make much on the sale of the stock when you do sell it. You do generally make some capital appreciation. But the vast majority of the return comes from the cash flow that is generated while you own the stock. Have I mentioned that is the objective?

Yes, the method screens for stocks that are good candidates for generating cash flow and are not likely to go bankrupt. There is no attempt being made to predict whether a stock is going to go up or down over any particular time frame.

Maybe we need to get our own thread to discuss this over in the "Money" section?

I think the fact that you followers have spent 5 pages and 10 hours defending the "Snider Method" confirms to me that it's all BS. If I learned the holy Grail to investing (that cost me $2500 to obtain) I certainly wouldn't be trying to sell people on it. I'd quietly be sitting back and watching myself get rich.

I'll stick to the old fashion - Warren Buffet method of investing, I.e., P/E ratio and lots and lots of research.
Old 03-30-2011 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
What is cash flow while you own the stock? Dividends? So buy good stocks with dividends? Got it.
Nope. You haven't "got it." If you care to read back over all the posts on this subject today, you should be able to get a better idea about how it works. I don't want to waste everyone else's time with it at this point.


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
In all seriousness, I know nothing about investing. I just ragging on this method a little bit. $2500 seems like a lot for a two day workshop. It really does seem like one of those TV ads.
I understand. Everyone should analyze things with somewhat of a skeptical eye. As pilots, I think this is our nature and part of what keeps us safe. $2500 is a lot of money. I wouldn't recommend that anyone spend that much money to take an investment class unless they had really done their homework on it. But just to put it in perspective... $2500 is less than one month's yield in my DPSP/401k. And I don't pay anybody to manage my accounts. I pay commissions to Fidelity on the trades... which are minimal in the grand scheme of things because I only trade one day per month and it's not a huge number of trades. I pay $30 to Snider Advisors in months that I use their stock screener to open new positions (I find that I'm paying this most months but not every month). And $10 to be a client of Snider Advisors and have their customer support (which I can count on one hand the number of times I've needed in 6 years). Other than that, there are no costs... anything I get is all gravy. I consider that $2500 the best investment I have ever made. But that's just what I have determined for myself. I'm not trying to tell you what to think. I really didn't even mean to get dragged into this long of a discussion on the topic (partially my own fault for trying to be helpful).

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
On a different note, I had a friend give me a bottle of Mona Vie. That stuff tastes horrible. I would rather drink 2 oz of scotch twice a day. According to wikipedia, the health benefits might be about the same.
The Snider Method is not a scam. I am confident of that. But if you think it is, then don't worry your pretty little head about it... cause you don't have to do it!
Old 03-30-2011 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
This extra per diem comment is sad. This is not a regional airline. We need to make enough money that my fellow pilot Brocc can afford to go the movies, buy himself a nice dinner, or hire a prostitute while sitting at his crashpad. He's trying to pick up a trip to get the per diem. It's pathetic that it has come down to this at a major carrier. We should be ashamed of ourselves. It's time to get rid of this bankruptcy contract. It's also time to stop the damn outsourcing.
It sounds sad, but I really didn't mean it like that, its just why not fly somewhere warm with a pool and make more money doing it? A four day trip is about $120 bucks in per diem. That's a nice bit of extra money on my paycheck. I would have a different attitude if I lived in base, but I'm not sitting at HOME while I'm on reserve. Again, not complaining either way, but its nice to get trips once in awhile so I try to yellow slip sometimes and I didn't understand why it didn't work.
Old 03-30-2011 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Ed Harley
I think the fact that you followers have spent 5 pages and 10 hours defending the "Snider Method" confirms to me that it's all BS. If I learned the holy Grail to investing (that cost me $2500 to obtain) I certainly wouldn't be trying to sell people on it. I'd quietly be sitting back and watching myself get rich.

I'll stick to the old fashion - Warren Buffet method of investing, I.e., P/E ratio and lots and lots of research.
Well that's what I get for trying to be helpful.

Good luck.
Old 03-30-2011 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
Well that's what I get for trying to be helpful.

Good luck.
Well if you're really trying to be helpful than post the specifics of the Snider Method. Everything you learned in your 2 day seminar, including the checklist. Help a brother out.
Old 03-30-2011 | 06:41 PM
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from a Morningstar forum:

e: What is with the Kim Snider Methodology?
03-04-2011, 11:20 PM | Post #3006856

My wife and I went through her course in December 2006 and paid aprox. $5000. We decided that since we were both about to retire we needed extra money to supplement our income.

We decided to let $500,000.00 of our retirement money to be managed by the Kim Snider Method in the early part of 2007. We let Kim Snider and her staff manage the account. Kim and her Husband Jim stressed to us that this method is equal or better than an investment grade bond.

On November 23, 2008 the account value was exactly $131,010.31 using the Kim Snider Method. They also margined $92,169.02 in that account. You be the judge?
Old 03-30-2011 | 06:47 PM
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I just stumbled across this! Hilarious and some very good points!

YouTube - DPA Pilot Lounge Chat Part 1
Old 03-30-2011 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spakler
I just stumbled across this! Hilarious and some very good points!

YouTube - DPA Pilot Lounge Chat Part 1


dpa - double penetration n a$$
very funny
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