Originally Posted by scambo1

acl;

i am just 1 of 12500 pilots. I am a reasonable guy despite my inability to avoid taking the random snipe when it is offered on a silver platter. I am going to guess that dal has about 20% of the pilots completed disgusted (based on dpa cards), 20% of change from within, and 60% that will do whatever dalpa says. Ymmv.

Scope was sold. Period. Alpa used it as a bargaining credit and told us that it was good for us. I am not sure that they even tried to use anything else as a bargaining credit...big picture.

We find ourselves in a position moving toward section 6 where (theoretically) we have limited leverage because we already used our bargaining credits to get c2k payrates - which alpa (apologists?) say contributed to our bankruptcy.

We gave these payrates back in 2 loas pre-bankruptcy...i say that is an overdue loan (but i'm 1 guy). We woke up after a looong hangover and now we want some scope recature coupled with payrates etc. That reflect c2k + inflation or something similar.

1. We have scaled back the atlantic and af/klm is flying some of our trips as connections.
2. Ak is flying the heart of our west coast
3. Skywest and rah arent being beaten back by our in-house union - giving them the green light to further expand.
4. A national officer tells us we can't strike over scope - which may or may not be true, but the implication is incompetence.
5. Alpa nat'l tells us our greatest threat is emirates.

We are darn near the cheapest yet most productive pilots in our worldwide neighborhood, yet we keep getting kicked in the nutz. Where is our strategic planning, where is our leverage. If it exists, i am not seeing it and believe me i try.

I have said that i believe in some constructive engagement when it is our shared interest, but in reality, what i see is a lorenzo style shell game being run by colluding managements and our union is far too slow or stupid to see what is happening right in front of its face; dont see the forest for the trees.

Please help me see how alpa is the winning team. Please, please, please.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo

By the way, Delta provides ground services to many airlines that we do not code share with. They also provide maintenance services at the TOC in Atlanta. They make a lot of money doing that.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Wish we could "win" someplace a little nicer, like the Pacific Northwest, Hawaii and civilized Europe instead of places where a skeeter can kill a guy.

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver

Great! And I'm stuck on day 2 of a 4-day trip with my flight kit in tow.

But seriously, this is good. I'll look forward to beginning to enjoy it next trip.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

I disagree. They do not fly that seat segment(767/330). They also know that those flight support their route network. They gain a lot more from us than many realize.

Routes like SEA-HNL SEA-OGG, SEA-BOS were added the day after we discontinued our service. ( I do not have my data in front of me, but they took over about 10-12 routes in LAX as well)

Originally Posted by tsquare

Don'cha though??

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

DAL just toss it out the window, make a spectacle out of it.

Originally Posted by tsquare

ACL disagrees with alfaromeo? This is bigger than tsquare and Carl becoming fast friends...

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Yup...that last Narita layover was a good one:





Carl

Originally Posted by nwaf16dude

I was commuting home on an RJ the day after ours were no longer required. My bag was held together with Duct tape. When the ramper came to the jetway to get the gate checked bags I asked him if there was a dumpster downstairs he could put my flight kit in. He thought I was joking, took me a few minutes to convince him I wasn't.