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Old 06-07-2011, 08:59 AM
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So what's your solution as the current non-rev policy isn't changing.
A number of years ago, when I was working at Horizon, we (horizon) starting flying a handful of RJ's as Frontier Jet Express under a CPA with Frontier airlines. On those flights Frontier employees had a higher non-rev boarding priority than Horizon employees. Why? Because these were being operated as Frontier flights, even though it was Horizon metal. Horizon was just acting as a sub-contractor.

In a lot of ways - this just makes sense. These carriers, wether they're DCI, United Express, or what have you, aren't acting as airlines, they are merely aircraft operators subcontracting out their services. The planes are painted in the primary carriers colors and the marketing and ticket sales are all handled by the primary carrier. I think that the employees of the primary carrier should therefore have priority when traveling on these flights.

Whats the benefit, then, for employees of the subcontractor carriers? They get access to flights on the primary carriers that they operate for - albeit at a lower priority. Access that they wouldn't otherwise have. There is industry precedent for this type of arrangement.
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Ferd, if we're going to post pics of beautiful actresses of the past let's go back:




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Hi All,

I've gotten a couple of automated calls at home from something called Now Clinic Online Care (?), which is apparently being offered through Delta. Anyone have any idea what this is?

Thanks.
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Old 06-07-2011, 09:11 AM
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I'm all for this:

Originally Posted by Dash8widget View Post
A number of years ago, when I was working at Horizon, we (horizon) starting flying a handful of RJ's as Frontier Jet Express under a CPA with Frontier airlines. On those flights Frontier employees had a higher non-rev boarding priority than Horizon employees. Why? Because these were being operated as Frontier flights, even though it was Horizon metal. Horizon was just acting as a sub-contractor.

In a lot of ways - this just makes sense. These carriers, wether they're DCI, United Express, or what have you, aren't acting as airlines, they are merely aircraft operators subcontracting out their services. The planes are painted in the primary carriers colors and the marketing and ticket sales are all handled by the primary carrier. I think that the employees of the primary carrier should therefore have priority when traveling on these flights.

Whats the benefit, then, for employees of the subcontractor carriers? They get access to flights on the primary carriers that they operate for - albeit at a lower priority. Access that they wouldn't otherwise have. There is industry precedent for this type of arrangement.
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Old 06-07-2011, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Dash8widget View Post
A number of years ago, when I was working at Horizon, we (horizon) starting flying a handful of RJ's as Frontier Jet Express under a CPA with Frontier airlines. On those flights Frontier employees had a higher non-rev boarding priority than Horizon employees. Why? Because these were being operated as Frontier flights, even though it was Horizon metal. Horizon was just acting as a sub-contractor.

In a lot of ways - this just makes sense. These carriers, wether they're DCI, United Express, or what have you, aren't acting as airlines, they are merely aircraft operators subcontracting out their services. The planes are painted in the primary carriers colors and the marketing and ticket sales are all handled by the primary carrier. I think that the employees of the primary carrier should therefore have priority when traveling on these flights.

Whats the benefit, then, for employees of the subcontractor carriers? They get access to flights on the primary carriers that they operate for - albeit at a lower priority. Access that they wouldn't otherwise have. There is industry precedent for this type of arrangement.
While that certainlly has industry precedent, it would be a very large scale change to make and impliment. Before that idea is seriously entertained, I'd like to see something like a "golden city pair" where one city has to be your official domicile and the other has to be the city of or closest to your primary residence, just like existing cobus criteria. Said city pair could only be changed once per year or additionally only if accompanied by an official domicile change (but must always meet those requirements).

On that city pair and that pair only, you (and only you) would get unlimited S2A travel on that city pair ONLY, but would get no additional "priority days". "Locals" or anyone who for whatever reason chose to "opt out" would continue to get their standard alottment of worldwide S2's.

How mainline versus DCI was handeled wouldn't change WRT today's already existing priorities so in that regard there would be no winners or losers as there is no difference if you are an S3C on a given flight you would go after an S3 or an S2A in either case just the same.
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Old 06-07-2011, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy View Post
While that certainlly has industry precedent, it would be a very large scale change to make and impliment. Before that idea is seriously entertained, I'd like to see something like a "golden city pair" where one city has to be your official domicile and the other has to be the city of or closest to your primary residence, just like existing cobus criteria. Said city pair could only be changed once per year or additionally only if accompanied by an official domicile change (but must always meet those requirements).

On that city pair and that pair only, you (and only you) would get unlimited S2A travel on that city pair ONLY, but would get no additional "priority days". "Locals" or anyone who for whatever reason chose to "opt out" would continue to get their standard alottment of worldwide S2's.

How mainline versus DCI was handeled wouldn't change WRT today's already existing priorities so in that regard there would be no winners or losers as there is no difference if you are an S3C on a given flight you would go after an S3 or an S2A in either case just the same.
If (and it's not going to happen, but for the sake of argument) they start giving commuters priority passes between city pairs, they need to give the rest of us non-commuters (80% of ATL based pilots) a golden city pair we can choose from, too.
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Old 06-07-2011, 11:33 AM
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AE??? April, May, June, July, Aug...........
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Old 06-07-2011, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy View Post
While that certainlly has industry precedent, it would be a very large scale change to make and impliment. Before that idea is seriously entertained, I'd like to see something like a "golden city pair" where one city has to be your official domicile and the other has to be the city of or closest to your primary residence, just like existing cobus criteria. Said city pair could only be changed once per year or additionally only if accompanied by an official domicile change (but must always meet those requirements).

On that city pair and that pair only, you (and only you) would get unlimited S2A travel on that city pair ONLY, but would get no additional "priority days". "Locals" or anyone who for whatever reason chose to "opt out" would continue to get their standard alottment of worldwide S2's.

How mainline versus DCI was handeled wouldn't change WRT today's already existing priorities so in that regard there would be no winners or losers as there is no difference if you are an S3C on a given flight you would go after an S3 or an S2A in either case just the same.
I wasn't going to jump into what will be a flame contest back and forth. But, since I asked the original question, I'll just add that you can't use an S2 on an RJ (in my case Sky West). So, no matter what, I was below Sky West employees that were way junior to me on a ticket that said Delta Air Lines.

I know it won't change, but it is just one more example of how RJs have completely changed our lives at the mainline.

So, with that, I suggest we drop it.....the discussion can't go anywhere but down.

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Old 06-07-2011, 11:40 AM
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Ferd, if we're going to post pics of beautiful actresses of the past let's go back:



While I'm on record, going back decades, that I'd die a happy man for just 15 minutes with Michelle (cuz that's all it'd take). But, she isn't married to a pilot (smart girl) like Ella Raines was.
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Originally Posted by Ferd149 View Post
I wasn't going to jump into what will be a flame contest back and forth. But, since I asked the original question, I'll just add that you can't use an S2 on an RJ (in my case Sky West). So, no matter what, I was below Sky West employees that were way junior to me on a ticket that said Delta Air Lines.

I know it won't change, but it is just one more example of how RJs have completely changed our lives at the mainline.

So, with that, I suggest we drop it.....the discussion can't go anywhere but down.

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I just think that if the airplane says "Delta" on the side (with or without connection), that mainline employees should always have priority. The jumpseat is a separate issue, but as far as pass riding, mainline should always have priority over the outsourced. I held these views when I worked for an outsourced company as well... it's just logical.
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