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Old 06-07-2011 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
Okay, this is starting to really **** me off.

Moderators: You let a thread about organizing ALPA (a union) at Jet Blue live in the prominent "Major" section of this forum. But any thread that discusses DPA (a union) trying to organize and replace ALPA at Delta gets moved to whither away and die in the "Union Talk" section of this forum.

Look. I'm not trying to necessarily promote DPA. But I do think the discussion is beneficial in either bringing DALPA around to start pursuing what the majority of our pilots want (restoration) or, if they won't do this, replacing them with someone who will at least try.

This is not the DALPA Forum where there are specific rules that prohibit the discussion of replacement of ALPA. I don't disagree that "Union Talk" is an appropriate section in which to discuss union issues. But if you're going to move any discussion of DPA to this section, then I think you need to move any discussion of any union matter to this section. Like I said before, I'm not necessarily promoting DPA... but I don't appreciate your transparent attempts to censor the discussion of DPA. IMO, you are damaging the credibility of this discussion board and are going to make it irrelevant if you're not careful.

Give me a chance to move the stuff, my gawd. I just got back from flying for a week.
Old 06-07-2011 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
I was trying to be PC for all the civilians here You are, of course, correct sir!

Ferd <--------Eagle Driver (and the only guy you've probably ever met who dropped a bomb off an A model Eagle - sadly)

Youre the guy that blew up that romads jeep?
Old 06-07-2011 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Give me a chance to move the stuff, my gawd. I just got back from flying for a week.
That sounds like a dishonest excuse to me. The original DPA thread got moved to "Union Talk" at least a week ago. I immediately questioned the fact that the ALPA/Jet Blue thread was not given the same treatment. After no response, I then questioned it again. When a new thread about DPA showed up today, it was immediately moved to "Union Talk." The ALPA/Jet Blue thread is still in the Major section. If you already had time to move the original DPA thread a long time ago and then today's DPA thread to Union Talk, then you also had time to move the ALPA/Jet Blue thread that has existed for several weeks and to which I have called the moderator's attention three times now. I'm not buying your lame excuse. Sorry, but it seems obvious to me that you are practicing selective censorship. Not cool.
Old 06-07-2011 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Nosmo King
Re: NATCO Closing

I have to say I don't see how 8 bays is going to be enough.

A320 - 5 sims
A330 - 2 sims
B747 - 2 sims
B757 - 3 sims (I think)

and that is just the full flight sims, doesn't include FMS or PTTs or the sims used to train other airlines.

The real kicker is that management is STILL stuck on not offering hotel rooms and PS passes to/from the schoolhouse for instructors that don't live where the Training Center is located. If they did that they might not lose so much experience from the instructor corps.

I suppose the FAA will just look the other way and not consider it a safety issue during the "transition" if most of the instructors decide not to move to ATL and not to instruct (at leaston the 747 and Airbii)

It will be even more fun to watch the training backlog. Some sims don't react well to being moved.
There are only 4 A320 sims.
Old 06-07-2011 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Youre the guy that blew up that romads jeep?
I got close. Big time range foul after a "switch error" going from auto to ccip Got to buy lots of beer that night
Old 06-07-2011 | 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
That sounds like a dishonest excuse to me. The original DPA thread got moved to "Union Talk" at least a week ago. I immediately questioned the fact that the ALPA/Jet Blue thread was not given the same treatment. After no response, I then questioned it again. When a new thread about DPA showed up today, it was immediately moved to "Union Talk." The ALPA/Jet Blue thread is still in the Major section. If you already had time to move the original DPA thread a long time ago and then today's DPA thread to Union Talk, then you also had time to move the ALPA/Jet Blue thread that has existed for several weeks and to which I have called the moderator's attention three times now. I'm not buying your lame excuse. Sorry, but it seems obvious to me that you are practicing selective censorship. Not cool.
Spot on 88 Driver!
Old 06-07-2011 | 08:20 PM
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88 pilots uniting against the man!

ya'll are on a rampage, go get um.
Old 06-07-2011 | 08:42 PM
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So in a year after they have moved NATCO I wonder how much we will be paying to keep up the NATCO building and the old headquarters building because nobody will buy them. I don't think MSP is a hot spot when it comes to business so I'm thinking we'll pay to move all the stuff then still have to pay for the buildings. Maybe they already have them sold, but I doubt it.
Old 06-07-2011 | 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Maybe maybe not.

Reality is that this will require them to front load a lot of training on this AE that will soon be published.
What do you mean? As in starting to fat staff/pad categories in advance? If so, wouldn't that require at least some hiring?
Old 06-07-2011 | 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
So in a year after they have moved NATCO I wonder how much we will be paying to keep up the NATCO building and the old headquarters building because nobody will buy them. I don't think MSP is a hot spot when it comes to business so I'm thinking we'll pay to move all the stuff then still have to pay for the buildings. Maybe they already have them sold, but I doubt it.
MSP has a number of fortune 500 businesses. That's why NWA / Delta makes so much $ off of originating traffic out of MSP. That being said, I'm not sure what else building N (natco) could be used for. I'm sure it will be tough to sell.

I thought when the nwa/delta merger happened a few years ago Richard promised the state of minnesota that we would keep thousands of jobs in Minnesota, and he specifically noted the bldg N training center. Interesting.

Good luck to all those Natco instructors. Good people.
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