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Southwest Pilots Applaud Termination of SkyWest Codeshare
Thu, 16 Jun '11

Says The Agreement Was A Violation Of Their Contract
The Southwest Airlines Pilots' Association (SWAPA) said Monday it is pleased with Southwest Airlines' recognition of their Collective Bargaining Agreement with the pilots and the contract's prohibition against domestic codeshare. The codeshare agreement with SkyWest is a contract violation and the pilots of Southwest are pleased that the Company chose to honor the negotiated agreement in a timely fashion. The termination of the SkyWest codeshare agreement with AirTran allows both SWAPA and Southwest Airlines to concentrate and devote their collective energies on the tasks at hand.

"This move by our Company demonstrates a strong commitment to their pilots and our contract," said SWAPA President, Captain Steve Chase. "As a wholly owned subsidiary, AirTran and eventually Southwest, have the capability of flying into those markets and delivering superior service."

In late 2009, the Southwest Airlines Pilots' Association ratified its contract with Southwest Airlines that strictly prohibits domestic codeshare and greatly restricts codeshare to near-international destinations. This section of the contract is foundational to the protection of pilots' jobs and careers.

"It inspires confidence when your Company supports the interests of its employees and is willing to honor their negotiated contract," Chase added. "We are proud of the collaborative partnership we have with Southwest Airlines leadership and today's announcement is another example of the benefits of that relationship."

THIS is an excellent example of "constructive engagement." The one sided version of it as practiced by Moak & Co is a farce.

forgot to bid

06-17-2011 07:15 AM

So SWAPA does a better job at this constructive engagement than Moak such that SWA does things like fight outsourcing.

Also Skywest service just got called out by SWA as incapable of providing superior service. Which means in SWA eyes regional service And/or Skywest is not equal (read seamless) to mainline.

Bucking Bar

06-17-2011 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1009749)

Bar, what are you willing to give up to get that?

:D

Btw, off limit answers:
1. MD88
2. MD90
3. DC9

Short Answer: Nothing

Long Answer: Who would want to codeshare with an airline that has serious labor problems?

Longer Answer: We need to task our UNION with figuring out how maybe saving 20% on labor costs makes sense when the reality is:

RJ Crews and jets pass each other overflying eachother's operations resulting in gross scheduling inefficiencies, lowered utilization and operational snafus. Delta's narrow body flying allocation makes nearly no sense.
As these snafus happen the costs are realized in decreased customer service, penalties from our government (including DOT3hr rule) and real money (reference Mesa lawsuit & current incentive pay while pilots & jets in other divisions of Delta are under utilized).
RJ Carriers have morphed into serious airlines with fleets approaching the size of Delta's, who claim greater profitability than Delta, while getting paid by Delta.
These same carriers have the potential to make an end run around Delta as they seek to diversify their revenue stream. Why not a Korean Air passenger connecting to Republic to get to Anchorage on Alaska? Who needs Delta?

Really, we and management have a common interest here.

Check Essential

06-17-2011 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JungleBus (Post 1009751)

THIS is an excellent example of "constructive engagement." The one sided version of it as practiced by Moak & Co is a farce.

Moak has succeeded in fundamentally changing the philosophy of labor.
ALPA now sees it as their mission to help ensure that the airline is profitable in the hope that better wages and working conditions will follow.
The DPA is apparently not going to be successful in reversing that change in philosophy before the next contract cycle so we all better hope for Moak's new age methods to bear fruit.
They think outsourcing and codesharing and relaxed scope are good for Delta and therefore good for the pilots. Its a huge gamble. We'll see how it goes.

Rhino Driver

06-17-2011 07:27 AM

Reserve question. If I have a trip on my schedule for a morning sign-in on day one of RES, do I get a short call credit? Let's also say I have a trip that signs in at 0900 on day one and is a two day trip. On day 2, I find out that I have a morning trip tomorrow. Any short call credit there?

ExAF	06-17-2011 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1009632)

Oil's at $93/barrel.

Oil falls to below $93 amid stronger US dollar - Business - Oil & energy - msnbc.com

Does this mean we don't have to consolidate the training locations after all?

Bucking Bar

06-17-2011 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1009763)

They think outsourcing and codesharing and relaxed scope are good for Delta and therefore good for the pilots. Its a huge gamble. We'll see how it goes.

They got that idea by listening to management's bankruptcy bargaining presentations which were created by a bunch of Harvard outsourcing experts. Now they consider themselves "educated" and traditional unionists are "fools."

It is not a gamble. "Gamble" means they think there are odds that it will pay off. History is clear that there is no pay off in relaxed scope. The end result is always alter ego replacement until the union's representational power is irrelevant then eventual total replacement with non union workers.

We have entered the phase of representational irrelevance. We don't pick fights with management. Management placates us with 14 references to a narrow body RFP being flown by mainline pilots, feeding the peace while real airplanes are put into service which replace ours.

Why would we look at any other union's history and assume we are different?

cpberry1

06-17-2011 07:34 AM

short call

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Originally Posted by Rhino Driver (Post 1009766)

No expert, but my answer would be no. Are you saying you reported for a scheduled short call and already had a trip on your schedule? If so, maybe you could talk a scheduler into counting it but I'm doubtful. Also I have never heard of credit given for back-to-back trips. Am I missing something guys...?
Look on the bright side..at least we only have 6 short calls now!
Patrick

Bucking Bar

06-17-2011 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhino Driver (Post 1009766)

Not unless they change your status to SC, then assign you a trip within 12 hours (or within 10 if they change your status).

Check Essential

06-17-2011 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1009771)

Moak and O'Malley and the rest of the ALPA establishment see themselves as corporate executives now. They are "engaged" and in the know. They have a guy on the Board of Directors. Management strokes their egos by having them sign very important looking confidentiality agreements and then feeding them "privileged information" that the lowly line pilots couldn't possibly absorb and comprehend.
ALPA is now in partnership with management and they say so right out loud.

Traditional trade unionists have been marginalized and portrayed as dangerous extremists.
Filing a simple grievance to enforce our scope is a completely radical notion.

I think its too late to reverse course. We are committed. I hope Moak's philosophy works and we are not "representationally irrelevant" but I'm very skeptical. (if you couldn't tell) :)

I tend to agree with you Bar. ALPA's decision not to defend mainline scope could be the end of us.

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