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forgot to bid 06-22-2011 03:29 AM

When the police showed up they said they could overhear the A380 screaming at the building in a scene reminiscent of Horton hears domestic violence and fails to call 911 with Horton played by a nearby 747 and the building is the neighbors wife:






Do we have an award for inappropriate and tacky post of the day?

Flamer 06-22-2011 03:32 AM


Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL (Post 1011927)
Almost as hilarious as ALPA staffers who still refer to themselves by their military call signs, or A-10 pilots who call themselves fighter pilots :cool:

Almost as funny as having a weapons school for fattys that don't even have weapons.

forgot to bid 06-22-2011 04:37 AM

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Carl Spackler 06-22-2011 05:09 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1012145)

Trivia question:

How many think that a controller yelling: "Cancel Takeoff Clearance" means that you must abort the takeoff?

Carl

Bucking Bar 06-22-2011 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1012161)
Trivia question:

How many think that a controller yelling: "Cancel Takeoff Clearance" means that you must abort the takeoff?

Carl

Below v1 ... I'll stick my neck out and say, ABORT! Controllers only cancel a takeoff clearance when there is an immediate threat to safety. What justification is there to use emergency authority to continue?

If there's a runway incursion, or I've lined up on a runway with a bulldozer at mid field, or pilot just made a pirep of 40 knots loss of airspeed off the parallel runway, there's probably some very good reason for Tower to cancel the clearance.

From the right seat ... it is the Captain's jet obviously.

tsquare 06-22-2011 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by Phuz (Post 1012066)
Maybe he's prepping for his career at Frontier -- seeing how y'all are just gonna pay them to take your jobs.

How can I say this nicely... FAIL

Carl Spackler 06-22-2011 05:43 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1012173)
Below v1 ... I'll stick my neck out and say, ABORT!

If there's a runway incursion, or I've lined up on a runway with a bulldozer at mid field, or pilot just made a pirep of 40 knots loss of airspeed off the parallel runway, there's probably some very good reason for Tower to cancel the clearance.

What's the book answer?

I was surprised at this one myself. A "Cancel Takeoff Clearance" statement from ATC simply means that they've lost separation per their requirements. It is NOT a command to abort the takeoff. At a recent meeting with an ATC supervisory team, they said aborting the takeoff is up to the crew, we just have to advise them when separation has been lost and cancel their clearance. I was appalled, but that's what they said.

Carl

Tomcat 06-22-2011 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1012027)
Welcome. Hope to see you around campus. You still going to be commuting?

Thanks ACL... I'll be commuting from ECP. Been flying out of MEM for the last year and a half. I crossed over to a North fleet on the first bid, coming to ATL with the bus.

Still have a place off of 30A. Been in Walton County since the beach was just sand dunes and seaoats. You're right, 30a is a long way from the Redneck Riviera.

TC

tsquare 06-22-2011 05:47 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1012181)
I was surprised at this one myself. A "Cancel Takeoff Clearance" statement from ATC simply means that they've lost separation per their requirements. It is NOT a command to abort the takeoff. At a recent meeting with an ATC supervisory team, they said aborting the takeoff is up to the crew, we just have to advise them when separation has been lost and cancel their clearance. I was appalled, but that's what they said.

Carl

Methinks that if you are correct (And I have no reason to doubt you) that ALPA should be lobbying for different terminology. You know the Safety for All thing... Back in the 60s and 70s when the runways weren't littered with airplanes, it was no big deal, and probably was a rare occurrence.. now however....

Carl Spackler 06-22-2011 05:49 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1012173)
Below v1 ... I'll stick my neck out and say, ABORT! What justification is there to use emergency authority to continue?

Controllers only cancel a takeoff clearance when there is an immediate threat to safety.

If there's a runway incursion, or I've lined up on a runway with a bulldozer at mid field, or pilot just made a pirep of 40 knots loss of airspeed off the parallel runway, there's probably some very good reason for Tower to cancel the clearance.

Sorry, didn't notice you edited your post. The use of emergency authority isn't necessary, because cancelling a takeoff clearance is not an ATC command to abort.

Again, I was stunned when I heard this. I'll bet that most pilots were like me and thought it meant they were saying you must abort the takeoff. But when I thought more about what they said, they're right. ATC could never take on the liability of telling a crew to abort their takeoff.

Carl


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