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Old 06-17-2011 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
Moak and O'Malley and the rest of the ALPA establishment see themselves as corporate executives now. They are "engaged" and in the know. They have a guy on the Board of Directors. Management strokes their egos by having them sign very important looking confidentiality agreements and then feeding them "privileged information" that the lowly line pilots couldn't possibly absorb and comprehend.
ALPA is now in partnership with management and they say so right out loud.

Traditional trade unionists have been marginalized and portrayed as dangerous extremists.
Filing a simple grievance to enforce our scope is a completely radical notion.

I think its too late to reverse course. We are committed. I hope Moak's philosophy works and we are not "representationally irrelevant" but I'm very skeptical. (if you couldn't tell)

I tend to agree with you Bar. ALPA's decision not to defend mainline scope could be the end of us.
Now that is a defeatist attitude.

Think if the Founding Forefathers though that way.

If you want the change you describe it has to start at the bottom, and web boards are only a tool.
Old 06-17-2011 | 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
They got that idea by listening to management's bankruptcy bargaining presentations which were created by a bunch of Harvard outsourcing experts. Now they consider themselves "educated" and traditional unionists are "fools."

It is not a gamble. "Gamble" means they think there are odds that it will pay off. History is clear that there is no pay off in relaxed scope. The end result is always alter ego replacement until the union's representational power is irrelevant then eventual total replacement with non union workers.

We have entered the phase of representational irrelevance. We don't pick fights with management. Management placates us with 14 references to a narrow body RFP being flown by mainline pilots, feeding the peace while real airplanes are put into service which replace ours.

Why would we look at any other union's history and assume we are different?
You should seriously run for something electable by the line pilots where you can't be politically assassinated by the "contructivests"
Old 06-17-2011 | 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Rhino Driver
Reserve question. If I have a trip on my schedule for a morning sign-in on day one of RES, do I get a short call credit? Let's also say I have a trip that signs in at 0900 on day one and is a two day trip. On day 2, I find out that I have a morning trip tomorrow. Any short call credit there?
You USED to be able to get a short call credit for this on your first day of reserve. That went away when we went from 8 to 6 short calls /month. No net gain, IMO.
Old 06-17-2011 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL
You should seriously run for something electable by the line pilots where you can't be politically assassinated by the "contructivests"
I am already pushing him that way.
Old 06-17-2011 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by MDPilot
You USED to be able to get a short call credit for this on your first day of reserve. That went away when we went from 8 to 6 short calls /month. No net gain, IMO.
Agreed. My opinion is that when you sit six SC's in a month it is worse than flying 69 hrs. Normally I am luck to get three a month.
Old 06-17-2011 | 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
They could be, but a mounting device and packup power source would need to be created in the flight deck.

Also, RA wants something that signs you in for a rotation the second you hit airport property, allows automatic pub updates at that time, as well as a real time interface that scheduling can auto notify you on your i-pad of a reroute, sked change etc. They would also like some sort of mtc reporting functionality.

I can see all of this coming either in a tablet form or something more specifically designed for aviation.
Lots of issues that still need to be resolved via specific DAL policy and frankly the 4th floor is operating at 110% capacity. To add another item literally tilts them. DAL has typically done baby steps to get where they want to be. But...the pace of technology has increased and now it is consumer driven verse being enterprise driven. This is an enormous issue for every large corporation since the worker bees/clients/consumers just do what they want and absent a corporate policy...they are free to go. The iPad is similar. It is a PED and as such, the FAA has no problem for its use above 10,000 by any pilot for the use of their duties (see MAR Flt INfO) and they also supplied the process for any POI to approve the iPad as an Class1 device.

In DAL's case they don't have a policy regarding the use (eg, can't plug in during flt, when it can be used and what apps to use). I'm betting DAL will have to buy the iPad and ensure you don't have email app on it (sole reason for them to purchase). Thirdly...they don't have a technology fix for updating the pubs. While there are several workarounds and also several companies they could outsource with, DAL is keenly attached to doing their own in-house technology fixes. Overall, these issues are difficult to resolve at a corporate level and rather than just let the prisoners run the prison---they say no, we're looking into it.

Frankly, it doesn't get us much in terms of cost savings and productivity so its pretty hard to make the business case. Just look at the airside kits. That case was a no-brainer but it took years and years to make it happen. Why? Because the 4th floor is pre-occupied with other issues and pilot pubs is pretty low on their list.
Old 06-17-2011 | 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Cohiba
Lots of issues that still need to be resolved via specific DAL policy and frankly the 4th floor is operating at 110% capacity. To add another item literally tilts them. DAL has typically done baby steps to get where they want to be. But...the pace of technology has increased and now it is consumer driven verse being enterprise driven. This is an enormous issue for every large corporation since the worker bees/clients/consumers just do what they want and absent a corporate policy...they are free to go. The iPad is similar. It is a PED and as such, the FAA has no problem for its use above 10,000 by any pilot for the use of their duties (see MAR Flt INfO) and they also supplied the process for any POI to approve the iPad as an Class1 device.

In DAL's case they don't have a policy regarding the use (eg, can't plug in during flt, when it can be used and what apps to use). I'm betting DAL will have to buy the iPad and ensure you don't have email app on it (sole reason for them to purchase). Thirdly...they don't have a technology fix for updating the pubs. While there are several workarounds and also several companies they could outsource with, DAL is keenly attached to doing their own in-house technology fixes. Overall, these issues are difficult to resolve at a corporate level and rather than just let the prisoners run the prison---they say no, we're looking into it.

Frankly, it doesn't get us much in terms of cost savings and productivity so its pretty hard to make the business case. Just look at the airside kits. That case was a no-brainer but it took years and years to make it happen. Why? Because the 4th floor is pre-occupied with other issues and pilot pubs is pretty low on their list.
Great post, and I totally agree.

A EFB does not provide enough of an ROI versus air side kits. When you add a maintained and scheduling function the ROI goes though the roof. Because we are in the process of changing the backbones of these two systems, we will probably have to wait for them to develop the apps or software to get the functionality they want.

I am fine by that, because frankly I am not too sure I want a device attached to me that can reroute me at the stroke of "enter."
Old 06-17-2011 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
3. The IPad is not certified for use below 10,000 and must be turned off. It can't replace Jepps in the cockpit. It can only replace other company publications most of which are stored on the aircraft such as the MDM.
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Then what's the purpose of the iPAds again? If I can't use it to fly an approach, I don't see the point in carrying a company "computer" that has the pubs that are already on board in paper form to begin with..
Old 06-17-2011 | 09:43 AM
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Old 06-17-2011 | 09:45 AM
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First time poster, long time reader.
Kind of an off topic question. I doubt I am going to get anything awarded on this AE, most likely displaced if anything. But after I enter my AE preferences, it asks if I would like to retain my vacation or something along those lines. Also mentions something about pay protection.
What does this mean? Does it mean that if I choose to retain my vacation, I will NOT receive the award even though my seniority can hold it?
Or does it mean that someone junior to me may go to training before me?

I looked at the contract and couldn't find the information anywhere. Thanks for any info!
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