Airline Pilot Central Forums - Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

If published as planned we could see up to 450 new pilots needed in our current operation. There will be some gains in staffing and some losses in staffing as a result of the FTDT, but overall a net gain.

As for the portions where it could lead to a loss in staffing (need for fewer pilots in certain categories) which ones would that be? At first I thought it could be a reduction in widebody pilots by creating a lot of 2 and 3 crew runs that are currentlly 3 and 4 crew runs, but everyone said that's not a concern because other rest and circadian issues would prevent any reductions there. So what areas would see staffing reductions (even if its a net gain)?

I like your 450 estimate. Hope that pans out.

TheManager

06-28-2011 08:39 AM

Wow. Did not know Delta had it so good over here! Jeff uses the Delta contract plus scraps as their opener/wish list.

http://www.unitednegotiations.com/em...y_10-27-10.pdf

gloopy

06-28-2011 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1015004)

Just remember this: By this year's end, AirTran pilots will be making more than Delta 744/777 Captains, and will be until AT LEAST 2013. And they'll be doing so with the industry's best Scope. Nuff said.

Carl

Exactly. SWA is the floor. Somewhere between that floor and our fantasy opener is where we should settle (on ALL issues, not just hourly rates, including scope).

hockeypilot44

06-28-2011 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1015085)

Wow. Did not know Delta had it so good over here! Jeff uses the Delta contract plus scraps as their opener/wish list.

http://www.unitednegotiations.com/em...y_10-27-10.pdf

That link points to a contract allowing 250 95-seat jets at the regional level. I know it's just the company's proposal, but that is a huge slap in the face to all pilots.

1234	06-28-2011 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1015037)

We better realize what we are up against when there's talk about getting back to C2K payrates. Management has no intention of allowing that to happen.
Did anyone else see the UAL/CAL CEO's interview in Fortune last month?

Jeff Smisek:

When we closed the merger, I did 16 CEO exchanges around the system where I met with my co-workers. I'd stand up and answer any question they wanted. They were not used to that at United, I can assure you. They were at Continental.
I'm starting on a round in Europe next week. I'll do Asia, I'll do Latin America, and then I'll start more in the U.S. again, just being visible, answering people's questions, and being honest with them. "When are you going to snap me back to the wages I had in the year 2000?" Answer: never. That was a different time, and you will never be paid like you were in 2000. We're in a different business now. Low-cost carriers used to be a small percentage of the U.S. market. Now they're a giant piece. Business has changed, and people respect you when you're honest.

Leadership: The Jeff Smisek interview with Geoff Colvin - Apr. 21, 2011

Funny, is he making 40% less now than the airlines CEO in 2000 (total compensation). How about his pension? Yep, times are different, unfortunately it is only different for the front line.

tsquare

06-28-2011 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1015088)

That link points to a contract allowing 250 95-seat jets at the regional level. I know it's just the company's proposal, but that is a huge slap in the face to all pilots.

..... and in what is seemingly coming to light after all the ready fire aim comments.. mine included.. this proposal was put forth in October of last year...

nwaf16dude

06-28-2011 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1015088)

That link points to a contract allowing 250 95-seat jets at the regional level. I know it's just the company's proposal, but that is a huge slap in the face to all pilots.

Not to be too gloomy, but I'll bet Delta's opener next spring will be a similarly huge slap in our faces. We'd better be ready for it.

hockeypilot44

06-28-2011 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 1015095)

Not to be too gloomy, but I'll bet Delta's opener next spring will be a similarly huge slap in our faces. We'd better be ready for it.

Yep. The 50 seater is uneconomical so the company wants to get rid of them. The company does not want to replace the 50 seaters with us. It wants to bring in regional jets bigger than the DC-9. Our scope battle at the regional level is not done. Our line in the sand is looked at by the company as a line in the sand. It needs to be a line in concrete.

forgot to bid

06-28-2011 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1015002)

FTB, he wasn't talking YOY. He specifically said 15%-20% raise over a 4 year contract. Basically around 3%-5% YOY.
Tried clarifying it with him, and this is fact what he meant.

I actually don't like talking about what we should be negotiating for in the next contract on these boards because management types could use it as a reference, but I don't see a 5% raise every year being taken as anything less than a joke. (All other contract variables being equal)

Ouch.

Ouch.

Had to get 10 characters, but this mindset can be used for something useful on this forum, TA voting time not so much.

NuGuy

06-28-2011 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1014999)

Oh boy. Well no one needs to manage his expectations. :mad:

Heyas Johnso,

A bunch of years ago, when we had 800 guys on furlough, I was sitting reserve, and got called out to do a DH & one leg back. Turned out to be a ferry flight.

The guy I was flying with had a WAY low number for doing a reserve gig like this, so I asked him what was up.

The short version is he lived by the airport, and he told me that scheduling were his buds and would call him for favors like this and he was happy to do them. I said "um, you know we got 800 guys on furlough, right?"

He came right out and said "I don't care about any of that stuff".

There will always be a percentage of guys like this.

Nu

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