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Originally Posted by satchip
(Post 945139)
Ah, the NWA strike. Forgot about that one. Rumor that I read was Bill called up the leader of the AFL-CIO and he told Bill to let you guys strike but not APA because ALPA is AFL-CIO or something to that effect. I have no verification of that story.
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Originally Posted by contrails
(Post 945106)
Boeing: "We're gonna do a new airplane."
Boeing CEO Jim McNerney: "We're gonna do a new airplane" (Update1) - FlightBlogger - Aviation News, Commentary and Analysis "What we've seen so far is Airbus focused on their current customer base, which has shown some vulnerability to the CSeries. That doesn't mean that as they get deeper in the development they're not going to approach our customer base. I think they will. The NEO, on paper closes, the value gap that we have enjoyed on a typical cash on cash analysis, we tend to do better. And I think part of the rationale of the neo is to close that gap. Now, will that put some pressure on our margins. Yes. Maybe, but they've got to complete the development. We're gonna do a new airplane. We're not done evaluating this whole situation yet, but our current bias is to not re-engine, is to move to an all-new airplane at the end of the decade, beginning of the next decade. "It's our judgment that our customers will wait for us indefinitely because after all we're Boeing, rather than move to an airplane that will obsolete itself when they do a new airplane. I understand why they're doing it because all of our customers keep begging us for a new narrow body, but we haven't seen the need for it yet because after the 777 we went tone deaf. I feel pretty comfortable we can defend our customer base both because they're not going ahead of us, they're catching up to us and because we're going to be doing a new airplane that will go beyond the capability of what the neo can do. I feel very good about our position there but I haven't checked with our customers, we try not to do that anymore these days. Too much complaining, they're annoying.." What we need is this thing: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/i...0a9a2b0820.jpg Funny how you just can't kill the DC-9. |
CQ Question
I am looking for a hint from the DC-9 guys that have already been to CQ this year (2011). Is there any place you can review the Exterior Preflight slides? I checked on the DC9 page but no joy. Thanks in advance.
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 945155)
What we need is this thing:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/i...0a9a2b0820.jpg Funny how you just can't kill the DC-9. DC9 fuselage made in China...check New wing designed in Russia..check RJ motors instead of JT-8s...check what could go wrong ;-) Cheers George P.S. they claim 2/3 of the content is sourced from the US... |
Its funny how Boeing claims the NEO will "close the gap" when in fact it will blow the existing 737 away. So they vaguely promise improved benefits over the NEO simply because it is new. I'm not sure that is going to cut it. If AB can nail the 15% Boeing IMHO will have a very hard time significantly improving that. A percent or two isn't going to be the deal breaker for anyone, no matter how much fuel is. Boeing will have to come hard with at least 5% additional percent just to be taken seriously, and probably 10% or more to really give it the edge. Things like mega high cycle life won't be nearly as big of a player as fuel efficiency as I don't think anyone orders planes naymore thinking they will last 40-50 years. Those days are over. And of course they have no clue about common flight decks much less ergonomics, nor do they care. You will worship them just because they are Boeing and you will like it. That is their attitude. Maybe they will conviene another blue ribbon panel and make it with an even bigger yoke.
Is it possible for Boeing to out do Airbus on this? Sure. But will they? And without messing it up like the 787? And just how long should those customers "wait for us" anyway? If the NEO can stick to its time frame and/or be early (plausable) and the new Boeing is late again (plausable) then best case for Boeing is a lot of operators will order the NEO, get a decade or so out of them with high fuel prices and common fleets, and wait in the wings to see if the 797 ever really flies, does what it claims and gets the bugs worked out of it. Airbus is in a very good situation with the NEO compared to anything Boeing has or can dream up in the narrowbody range. OTOH, Boeing has a great opportunity to stomp hard on the throat of Airbus if they can do the passenger 747-800 right. It wouldn't take that many future order diversions to put the 380 program into a permanent ROI tailspin. |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 945155)
Funny how you just can't kill the DC-9.
New Rumor: Heard that SWA wants to spin off the 717s before the merger, and DAL wants the 717s. Deal might be in the works to take the whole fleet off their hands, plus the extra 25 that Boeing is sitting on. This big a divestiture of a fleet would trigger AAIs fragmentation clause, and their pilots would have the opportunity to go with the airplanes. Get yer merger fund checkbooks ready... Nu |
Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
(Post 945035)
I gotta say that the "Touch & Gos" advertisement of ALPA National services, which I received this morning via email, did NOT give me any warm and fuzzy feelings about the prospects for our negotiations.
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
(Post 945224)
New Rumor: Heard that SWA wants to spin off the 717s before the merger, and DAL wants the 717s. Deal might be in the works to take the whole fleet off their hands, plus the extra 25 that Boeing is sitting on.
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
(Post 945224)
To replace a DC-9, you need another DC-9. Just the way it works.
New Rumor: Heard that SWA wants to spin off the 717s before the merger, and DAL wants the 717s. Deal might be in the works to take the whole fleet off their hands, plus the extra 25 that Boeing is sitting on. This big a divestiture of a fleet would trigger AAIs fragmentation clause, and their pilots would have the opportunity to go with the airplanes. Get yer merger fund checkbooks ready... Nu If SWA divested the 717's, what would the post SOC AAI guys fly ? If they came to DAL, they would go to the bottom ; if they went to SWA they would take SLI position and much better pay etc......what am I missing in this improbable situation ? Does DAL have 737's/ positions to swap for the 717's ? Regards, BG |
Originally Posted by NuGuy
(Post 945224)
To replace a DC-9, you need another DC-9. Just the way it works.
New Rumor: Heard that SWA wants to spin off the 717s before the merger, and DAL wants the 717s. Deal might be in the works to take the whole fleet off their hands, plus the extra 25 that Boeing is sitting on. This big a divestiture of a fleet would trigger AAIs fragmentation clause, and their pilots would have the opportunity to go with the airplanes. Get yer merger fund checkbooks ready... Nu Sorry Nu, I say debunked with one call to a pretty well placed source there. Not to say we won't end up with them, but it won't be as direct as you suggest. And as others have pointed out...why would they? 8 |
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