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Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 945187)

Ah yes, let me see:

DC9 fuselage made in China...check
New wing designed in Russia..check
RJ motors instead of JT-8s...check

what could go wrong ;-)

Cheers
George

P.S. they claim 2/3 of the content is sourced from the US...

a 3rd of that 2/3rds is the blueprints.

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Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 945224)

New Rumor: Heard that SWA wants to spin off the 717s before the merger, and DAL wants the 717s. Deal might be in the works to take the whole fleet off their hands, plus the extra 25 that Boeing is sitting on.

This big a divestiture of a fleet would trigger AAIs fragmentation clause, and their pilots would have the opportunity to go with the airplanes.

Even if true, couldn't that be circumvented very easily by taking those planes a few at a time rather than all on one day? That would seem to be the way SWA and DL would want it anyway. SWA so they could have time to replace 717's as they left on a controllable schedule with 737's, and DL for similar training/new fleet issues (and yes, its a "9" but it is still very much a new fleet/bid category...zero chance of commonality with the 88/90 unless they "dumbed down" the glass ala SWA) but in any case, 86 jets transferred al at once would decimate SWA's acquisition. The slots, gates and routes they got AT for in the first place would evaporate. They obviously would do it on a much more controlled (and slower) pace. A pace that probably would not trigger their fragmentation clause.

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Originally Posted by Amish Pilot (Post 945169)

I am looking for a hint from the DC-9 guys that have already been to CQ this year (2011). Is there any place you can review the Exterior Preflight slides? I checked on the DC9 page but no joy. Thanks in advance.

You can find them in the DC9 fleet page, click on the LMS link. After logged into LMS, go to Catalog/DC9 catalog/DC9 initial qual...there is a tab in the index of that module that allows you to view the exterior preflight slides.

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Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 945224)

To replace a DC-9, you need another DC-9. Just the way it works.

New Rumor: Heard that SWA wants to spin off the 717s before the merger, and DAL wants the 717s. Deal might be in the works to take the whole fleet off their hands, plus the extra 25 that Boeing is sitting on.

This big a divestiture of a fleet would trigger AAIs fragmentation clause, and their pilots would have the opportunity to go with the airplanes.

Get yer merger fund checkbooks ready...

Nu

Probably don't want to know the answer to this, but what is a fragmentation clause???

I'm thinking it has something to do with breaking the hopes and dreams of a number of junior DAL DC9/M88 FOs into fragments.
But, I could be wrong.

Job opening:

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Job Title: Mediator (Airlines & Railroad)
Agency: National Mediation Board
Job Announcement Number: NMB-2011-02 (417949)-SW

SALARY RANGE:
$74,872.00 - $115,742.00 /year

OPEN PERIOD:
Monday, January 24, 2011 to Monday, February 28, 2011

SERIES & GRADE:
GS-0241-12/13

POSITION INFORMATION:
Full Time Career/Career Conditional

PROMOTION POTENTIAL:
14

DUTY LOCATIONS:
1 vacancy - Washington DC Metro Area, DC

WHO MAY BE CONSIDERED:
US Citizens and Status Candidates

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Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 945283)

Probably don't want to know the answer to this, but what is a fragmentation clause???

It is a labor protective provision written into a contract to avoid management fragmenting the operation into smaller parts to destroy the career of union members. For instance, when Frank Lorenzo tried to sell off Eastern assets to the scab version of Continental. Or what happens when Delta Connection plays musical RJ's to destroy longevity.

Here is ours:

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Originally Posted by DALPA PWA Section 1

26. “Fragmentation transaction” means a transaction (other than a successor transaction) in which the Company or an affiliate (other than an affiliate performing flying only on permitted aircraft types) disposes of aircraft, route authority or slots (net of aircraft, route authority or slots acquired within the 12 month period preceding such transaction or acquired in a related transaction), which produced 12% or more of the operating revenue, block hours or available seat miles of the Company (excluding revenue, block hours or available seat miles of affiliates performing flying only on permitted aircraft types) during the 12 months immediately prior to the date of the agreement resulting in the fragmentation transaction.

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J. Fragmentation Transaction
As a condition of any fragmentation transaction, the Company will, at the request of the Association, require the transferee of assets to:
1. employ a certain number of Delta pilots based on the number of crewmembers that will be required by the transferee for the operation of the transferred assets (not counting airmen employed by the transferee);
2. offer employment to such Delta pilots according to eligibility criteria determined by agreement between the Company and the Association or, in the absence of such agreement, by a neutral arbitrator;
3. provide that the transferring pilots will be integrated with the transferee’s pilots pursuant to Association Merger Policy if the transferee’s pilots are represented by the Association
or, if otherwise, pursuant

Couple of points:

12% of Delta Air Lines' revenue is an operation larger than Alaska Air Lines
Our fragmentation protections do not prevent management from outsourcing to our permitted aircraft types

This language is such a hole that we can flush a whole Airline the size of Alaska through it, or outsource 50% of our block hours without triggering its provisions. If you told me AirTran's scope language was better than ours, I'd not be surprised.

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 945303)

Job opening:

http://media.newjobs.com/opm/js/agency/NM00/logo1.gif

Job Title: Mediator (Airlines & Railroad)
Agency: National Mediation Board
Job Announcement Number: NMB-2011-02 (417949)-SW

We (the Delta pilot group) just might have a guy in the running for that job. Unfortunately he is not on our side when it comes to labor protection provisions.

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Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 945224)

To replace a DC-9, you need another DC-9. Just the way it works.

New Rumor: Heard that SWA wants to spin off the 717s before the merger, and DAL wants the 717s. Deal might be in the works to take the whole fleet off their hands, plus the extra 25 that Boeing is sitting on.

This big a divestiture of a fleet would trigger AAIs fragmentation clause, and their pilots would have the opportunity to go with the airplanes.

Get yer merger fund checkbooks ready...

Nu

Old rumor that still has teeth. FWIW.

Be interesting to see whether the AirTran pilots would want to leave SWA.

Anyone else getting "PCS IN PROGRESS" error message on the iCrew site?

I was just on with no problems.