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Old 07-02-2011, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Howgozit
Just to give you an Example of 2008 Hire....DTW DC9,MEM DC9, DTW 320, ANC 747, MSP 747, MEM DC9, MSP DC9, DTW DC9, MSP 7ER, DTW 7ER. ALL in 3.5 years and 90% were not by choice.
I don't believe 90% of those were not by choice.
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Old 07-02-2011, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
How can they say it doesn't go in your record yet it specifically states in the letter that it will be in their record?
I have no idea what that means except that it is not a policy of my CP to do any of this. I still feel it was a local response to a bigger issue and that the company and ALPA need to decide important details.

I have no issue using it if I need to and if I do, I will be responsible for my actions and do what I can to be at work on time.
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Old 07-02-2011, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
But, I've always been amazed that you have never seen the logic behind all this. You can shake your head in disgust that some people are like this, but I maintain that the "average guy" (not me and I have the FAILURE to commute letters to prove it) will call in sick vs call in stupid.
Oh, I see the logic, I just find it appalling.

I am amazed that the "average guy" has no qualms calling in sick when he's not. Justify it anyway you want, but the bottom line is it's lying to your employer. And we ALL pay the price for that.

I'm done with this topic...again. I'd like to think most commuters are honest, but frankly, you are the only one to admit to NOT abusing sick leave. For that, I applaud your high character.

But I'm embarrassed to be associated with a group in which most commuters on this board apparently have such low integrity.
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Old 07-02-2011, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
But I'm embarrassed to be associated with a group in which most commuters on this board apparently have such low integrity.
Come on dude, there was a lengthy rant with not bad logic that I spewed out and all you got is the call in stupid part?

What are your thoughts on the risk management parts? Did the company set it up to fail by adding the flight attendants?

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Old 07-02-2011, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
I don't believe 90% of those were not by choice.
Double negative. I'll allow it. Continue.
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Old 07-02-2011, 07:38 AM
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Forgive me if this has been said before:

I have heard that the company is going to look or is looking at gateway-home basing.

I dont know the validity to this but I have heard it a few times around Atl.

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Old 07-02-2011, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by groundstop
My neighbor is selling her house because she took a position in another city with the same company. Part of her companies numerous relocation benefits are that they will cough up $30k if the house is sold at a loss.

This is the kind of stuff we need in the next contract. If they don't want commuters, make it easier to move.
Or the house is bought after a period of time at the loan amount or market value. Whichever is higher. In the interim most companies furnish airline tickets to and from the former home and corporate housing. They do this for voluntary moves in many cases as well. The numbers in our case make these options really expensive. On top of it, the company really prefers pilots commute and do not take the moving benefit.
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Old 07-02-2011, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
On top of it, the company really prefers pilots commute and do not take the moving benefit.
Bingo! What I said too.

I was discussing an instance when I called in honest but was charged with the ticket tax on the pass with a CP. When he mentioned that I could also move to base (MSP) I reminded him that we save the company millions per year in moving costs AND they could move flying around at will so we added flexibility. He didn't argue the point, or at least let it go

All right, I'm out.......gotta take Joe Momma to breakfast

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Old 07-02-2011, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
I don't believe 90% of those were not by choice.
Well come back down to junior land and you'll get a taste of reality. Many junior guys were kicked around a lot between the APA & AE system, especially once DAL decided to park our 747-200's, then move 320's out of MSP, & start parking DC9's. If I told you before the AE results were published that a pilot in the bottom 99% of the seniority list would be displaced from DTW DC9 to NYC 7er would you have believed that?

Being junior at an airline that has 12,000+ pilots in a faltering economy with aircraft retirements and base realignments is a lot different then being junior at DAL 15-20 years ago.
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Old 07-02-2011, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Well come back down to junior land and you'll get a taste of reality. Many junior guys were kicked around a lot between the APA & AE system, especially once DAL decided to park our 747-200's, then move 320's out of MSP, & start parking DC9's. If I told you before the AE results were published that a pilot in the bottom 99% of the seniority list would be displaced from DTW DC9 to NYC 7er would you have believed that?

Being junior at an airline that has 12,000+ pilots in a faltering economy with aircraft retirements and base realignments is a lot different then being junior at DAL 15-20 years ago.
This ^^^^^
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