Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-18-2011, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Eck4Life
if you don't use it, you lose it.
07-19-2011, 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
And of course, as always, if you're a commuter and can't get to work, feel free to call in sick there too. 
07-19-2011, 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Jesse
Probably less trouble from the CP for doing so than using the commuting policy.
07-19-2011, 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Sick outs have doubled.
Reserve utilization is two times normal
It is costing money in the utilization of reserve callouts with the resulting tickle down to GS being awarded on the weekends, with technically a category is adequately staffed.
They are in to saving money, and sick calls cost them money because they are using too many reserves to cover many of the more complex trips.
If you are sick, you are sick. Follow the recommendations in the "scheduling alert" and there should be no issues.
Stating that you can no longer "fart with confidence" always seems to work
Reserve utilization is two times normal
It is costing money in the utilization of reserve callouts with the resulting tickle down to GS being awarded on the weekends, with technically a category is adequately staffed.
They are in to saving money, and sick calls cost them money because they are using too many reserves to cover many of the more complex trips.
If you are sick, you are sick. Follow the recommendations in the "scheduling alert" and there should be no issues.
Stating that you can no longer "fart with confidence" always seems to work
07-19-2011, 04:17 AM
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Also, I forgot to mention the same day I got this sick leave email I received the mailer from DAL on how important it is to take care of yourself and a bunch of other medical info on a one page flier. Irony.
07-19-2011, 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
That's what she said? But srsly, we need a significant overhaul of our sick and vacation systems. Vacation flat out sucks hard and pays next to nothing. I don't think we need a lawyer-ball touch drop system, but we need at least 10-15 hours per week more credit. That alone would fix most of the vacation shortcomings. For sick, we need to change the use it or lose it part, as both the company and pilot group loses out for multipile reasons. All except those who are both extremely and abnormally healthy, consistently over time, and extremely honest. They lose out the most and that isn't right.
If we're ever going to see contract improvements, we ALL have to get away from the unfounded concept that Delta is the best. That DIED in 2003. Since then, our working conditions are an embarrassment and a drag on the industry. Let's all commit to fixing it.
Carl
07-19-2011, 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by GBU-24
Ok, I'm still trying to get an answer to how "reroute pay" is actually paided out? I got some on a a trip last month but don't see pay/credit on my pay statement.
Someone throw me a little knowledge my way. Thanks.
Someone throw me a little knowledge my way. Thanks.
Look on your time card. Scroll down towards the bottom, you should see something like RR Pay or some other abbreviation that looks like Reroute.
It's in the same spot where they list Green Slip pay, Assignment Pay, etc.
07-19-2011, 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
I hope this post and the others begin to show us one thing ladies and gentlemen: We have one of the worst contracts in the industry. From trip rigs to vacation to sick leave to reserve system to low reserve guarantee, etc. It just goes on and on how truly awful our contract actually is. Higher pay rates are unimportant when you see how much time you must spend away from your family to get the same pay as others with lower pay rates.
If we're ever going to see contract improvements, we ALL have to get away from the unfounded concept that Delta is the best. That DIED in 2003. Since then, our working conditions are an embarrassment and a drag on the industry. Let's all commit to fixing it.
Carl
If we're ever going to see contract improvements, we ALL have to get away from the unfounded concept that Delta is the best. That DIED in 2003. Since then, our working conditions are an embarrassment and a drag on the industry. Let's all commit to fixing it.
Carl
Ha ha, to quote this. I know I won't be the last.
A little introspection is always a good thing, is it not? As my preacher says, what's the common theme between you and your three divorces? You. So a look in the mirror is not a bad thing, especially if it helps you prove all 3 wives went crazy after marriage all on their own, or that you suck, either way, good to know.
So let's review and compare say Section 1, 3, 7, 11, 12, 14 and 23, can't hurt.
And this might ruffle some feathers, maybe even cause a N vs S debate again but I'm sure we can squash that pretty fast and stay on topic, no? But who knows where a little review will end up? Could be good.
So does our contract suck? Yes or No? If Yes, how much does it suck and what would the fix be?
I'd say Section 1 is pretty awful or awfully written or poorly enforced in comparison to say SWA or even RAH? The airline we should be kicking out of DCI. For instance:
Section 1.O. Permitted Arrangements Pursuant to the Alaska Marketing Agreement
3. The DL code will not be placed on AS flight segments to or from a Delta hub.
Exception one: The DL code may be placed on AS flight segments to or from LAX,
subject to Section 1 O. 2. Any such flight segments between LAX and an Alaska hub
will be included in the calculations in Section 1 O. 3. Exception two.
Exception two: The DL code may be placed on AS hub to hub flight segments, provided
that the following limitations are satisfied (measured at the end of each month on a
rolling 12 month average):
a. the ratio of the aggregate number of scheduled hub to hub flight segments of DL
bearing an AS code, to the aggregate number of scheduled hub to hub flight
segments of AS bearing a DL code, must equal or exceed 4.0, and
b. the ratio of the aggregate number of scheduled hub to hub flight segments of Delta
bearing an AS code, to the aggregate number of scheduled hub to hub flight
segments of Alaska bearing a DL code, must equal or exceed 4.0.
Note: Each requirement in Section 1 O. 3. Exception two a. and b. will be satisfied if,
with respect to such requirement, the number of scheduled flight segments of Delta or
DL, as applicable, bearing the AS code, as applicable, is no more than two average daily
scheduled flight segments below the minimum number of such flight segments specified
by such requirement. It is understood that “average daily scheduled flight segments” will
be computed with respect to the applicable rolling time period.
3. The DL code will not be placed on AS flight segments to or from a Delta hub.
Exception one: The DL code may be placed on AS flight segments to or from LAX,
subject to Section 1 O. 2. Any such flight segments between LAX and an Alaska hub
will be included in the calculations in Section 1 O. 3. Exception two.
Exception two: The DL code may be placed on AS hub to hub flight segments, provided
that the following limitations are satisfied (measured at the end of each month on a
rolling 12 month average):
a. the ratio of the aggregate number of scheduled hub to hub flight segments of DL
bearing an AS code, to the aggregate number of scheduled hub to hub flight
segments of AS bearing a DL code, must equal or exceed 4.0, and
b. the ratio of the aggregate number of scheduled hub to hub flight segments of Delta
bearing an AS code, to the aggregate number of scheduled hub to hub flight
segments of Alaska bearing a DL code, must equal or exceed 4.0.
Note: Each requirement in Section 1 O. 3. Exception two a. and b. will be satisfied if,
with respect to such requirement, the number of scheduled flight segments of Delta or
DL, as applicable, bearing the AS code, as applicable, is no more than two average daily
scheduled flight segments below the minimum number of such flight segments specified
by such requirement. It is understood that “average daily scheduled flight segments” will
be computed with respect to the applicable rolling time period.
Sorry, the only pilots whose flying I'm concerned with is our own, not our greater ALPA brethren.
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Have fun, going flying and since I'm flying ATL M88 B I'll be lucky to walk into the crew room without getting beat down again. Why they do this to ATL M88 B's I don't know. The hazing, the taking off the back of my wings and pining them back on to my chest, "squeal like a pig!" and everything else I've repressed, gosh it's rough. Last time I was there I saw Jesse in the fetal position in the corner warning everyone to bid off ATL M88 B, sage advice. Hope he made it.
Last edited by forgot to bid; 07-19-2011 at 05:16 AM.
07-19-2011, 05:04 AM
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How to turn $34 million into $4 million
Another big loss on "outsourced" flying, although this is own own subsidiary, so the losses are all ours.
Now, lets see how much the Airport Board flips the property to the TSA for.
New on the HLN Channel, "flip this Airline Headquarters."
But this should be viewed for what it is, an ABSOLUTE STRATEGIC FAILURE by Delta management. They paid $2,500,000,000.00 for Comair, took a $600,000,000 strike, then got mad about that and decided to outsource their own subsidiary's work, destroying the value of their own asset. The real cost of this mismanagement is over 10 billion when the cost of the airplanes are included. WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?
How different would our contract be if we had $10 billion sitting in the bank?
For you senior guys that think "scope does not matter" what about the idiotic things our management does to take advantage of what we allow? Our airline works harder at trying to figure out how not to fly, than it does running a good operation. The result is the loss of billions.
HEBRON – The Kenton County Airport Board will buy the former Comair headquarters from Delta Air Lines for $4 million.
Officials said the move positions the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport for future growth and helps diversify its revenue streams.
The airport board voted Monday to buy the three-story, 188,000- square-foot facility, which is located on the south side of the airport and has been vacant since January. The sale is expected to be finalized this fall.
Officials said the move positions the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport for future growth and helps diversify its revenue streams.
The airport board voted Monday to buy the three-story, 188,000- square-foot facility, which is located on the south side of the airport and has been vacant since January. The sale is expected to be finalized this fall.
New on the HLN Channel, "flip this Airline Headquarters."
But this should be viewed for what it is, an ABSOLUTE STRATEGIC FAILURE by Delta management. They paid $2,500,000,000.00 for Comair, took a $600,000,000 strike, then got mad about that and decided to outsource their own subsidiary's work, destroying the value of their own asset. The real cost of this mismanagement is over 10 billion when the cost of the airplanes are included. WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?
How different would our contract be if we had $10 billion sitting in the bank?
For you senior guys that think "scope does not matter" what about the idiotic things our management does to take advantage of what we allow? Our airline works harder at trying to figure out how not to fly, than it does running a good operation. The result is the loss of billions.
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 07-19-2011 at 05:19 AM.
07-19-2011, 05:11 AM
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Seems to me it can be a combination of a bunch of factors. First, our pilots are getting OLD! j/k It does seem that if it is costing money for all these sick outs and green slips it still isn't costing enough to justify positive space tickets for commuters.
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