Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1036622)

The PWA defines SEA as not ever being a hub. In contrast LAX was specifically defined as a hub.

Alaska code on more than 25% of flights to hubs.

DELTA, departures (2010 average)
LAX DOM 53, INTL 3.5
SLC DOM 81, INTL 2.7
SEA DOM 25, INTL 3


ALASKA, departures (2010 average)
LAX DOM 16, INTL 11
SEA DOM 118, INTL 2

Among the Alaska LAX international flying is the Delta Mexico flying that used to be covered by the 73N and is now covered by Alaska.

Alaska also is replacing 7ER flying to the Hawaiian islands from select cities.

Cheers
George

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1036625)

George;

What do you (reasonably) expect your union to do about this?

Originally Posted by Columbia (Post 1036568)

A magazine with a 747 on the cover. :D

Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1036622)

The PWA defines SEA as not ever being a hub.
In contrast LAX was specifically defined as a hub.

Alaska code on more than 25% of flights to hubs.
With about 53 departures in LAX Alaska is permitted to carry the Delta code on right around 13 departures/day....

Among the Alaska LAX international flying is the Delta Mexico flying that used to be covered by the 73N and is now covered by Alaska.
Alaska also is replacing 7ER flying to the Hawaiian islands from select cities.

Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1036644)

Looks like we're buying into AeroMexico to the tune of $65 million. We must have plenty of cash on hand.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1036648)

Wondering if VA is next........

Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1036638)

Easy. Defend the contract. If there is a violation, grieve it.

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1036640)

From 2007-2011, Delta decreased seats out of LAX, PDX, and SEA by 4.9%.
From 2007-2011, Alaska decreased seats out of LAX, PDX, and SEA by 12.3%.

From 2007-2011, Delta increased International seats out of LAX, PDX and SEA by 46.9%. Delta more than doubled the size of the SEA pilot base. Delta did not furlough during this time. Alaska furloughed about 10% of their list. The last Alaska furloughee is scheduled to be recalled January 31, 2012.

As far as Hawaii flying, most passengers Delta carried to Hawaii from SEA and PDX were connecting from Alaska. As soon as Alaska got an airplane with the capability to go to Hawaii (737), that connection was dead. Jet fuel over $3 per gallon in a low yield leisure market doesn't help.

All this data was presented at the last C16 and C44 meeting.

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1036646)

So how was it that the ALPA lawyers negotiated, wrote and approved such weak language in the first place? So weak that it wouldn't even cover the worn out "separate certificate trick" (SCT) that's been around for decades?

ALPA lawyers and negotiators have known for a long time about the elementary SCT, which is why Song had to be flown by Delta pilots and also why all these foreign JV's had to be approved....we already had language preventing the SCT. But when our scope was written in C2K, tweaked during the run on the bank in the mid 2000's and tweaked again for the SOC, somewhere in there the greatest legal minds in the profession, with the most experience, the most resources, the biggest war chests, the most talented clerical help and the most AMEX Black cards at their disposal managed to give us a clause that falls for the most basic scope end run arguably in airline history...the SCT...as if they never saw it coming.