I'm sure the guy that wrote the piece on the AS/DAL codeshare is very smart, as it is very well written and it appears that we are operating within the confines of the agreement. However, just at first glance my gut feeling was validated. DAL provides 5% to AS's bottom line and they provide 1% to ours. In my book that looks very lop-sided. They also carry almost double the amount of DAL customers than we carry AS passengers. This is great for the company and not great for me or you.

It appears to me that AS gets 5X's the good deal that we get from them (on the pilot's backs).
I also get tired of hearing how they feed our international flights. Let's see how many narrow body pilots we would add if we really made this codeshare fair. I'm sure W2 $$ would far exceed the number of widebody jobs benefiting from AS feed. Delta employs narrowbody pilots too you know!

I agree, he is a great guy.
That still doesn't change the fundamental issue.

Cheers
George

Yeah but at least we're winning the war on drugs, the quality of education is increasing proportionately with each dollar dumped on it as is medical care, our borders are secure and housing is affordable and accessable to everyone. :cool:

Recently, I flew with a senior CA, and i asked what was his primary concern in our next contract. He said pay, I said scope. It's as simple as that. He's senior, I'm junior. Our perspectives are different. I totally understand that from a guy in his mid 50s.

What the AS piece is just one pilot's objective view on the subject. From mgmt's point of view, it sounds like a good strategic move, but from a junior DL pilot's view, it's a sour lemon. To me, all these JV ventures are starting to become Boeing's, sub-contracting everything out to the lowest bidder or outside help, and DL is merely a brand that passengers recognize with. And we've all seen how well that is working out for Boeing?

That. Plus, why is it OK for RJs up to 76 seats to do our off list flying but if its a 737-900 then oh well 86 seats is fine. Srsly?

So ask him if it would be OK with him if the junior 2/3 voted to cut widebody and CA pay only for tighter scope. When he looks at you in horror, look closely for a lightbulb to go off within 5 or 10 seconds. If not, its worth the whole trip of "education". You can't have pay without scope. If you trade scope for pay, you get neither in the long run.

I see the fundamental issue being that we don't fly seats. We fly airplanes. That have seats.

But I want to see numbers of flights not seat numbers. It's the 767 vs A380 argument whereas we'd all rather DAL fly 2 767s while AF flies 1 A380 and it's called even because the seats equal.

If we're talking 777s out of LAX then that's over twice the size of a 737-700. Every 777 would be 2 737s. I get that 738s and 739s will equal our 75s and 73s, but 20 767 flights equals 26.8 AS 738 flights to make seats equal. Now I'm not even going to guess what the numbers would be but it'd be nice to see them just to see what kind of balance there is or isn't.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ma...-tomorrow.html

Notice they're growing out of SEA, a non DAL hub?

Perhaps we should mandate that congressmen and congresswomen do the same...serve and lead by example. Afterall, these stellar specimens (even the ones without the deviant sexual disorders) spend merely 5 years "serving their country" and receive an $80K congressional annual pension fund as well as lifetime family insurance...more than twice that the young men and women on the pointy end of the spear (or the bottom of a 72" hole) can ever dream of. Guess I should have chosen to "serve" my country from the lavish offices and privelages of a govenment provided Georgetown condo and a local, hometown "status pad." Then again, I guess I chose not to be the $30milloion a year 5'9" white guy, that can't jump or throw, playing in the NBA...we all make choices. And then again, here we are bickering about the mundane issue of pay for lowly college educated people, transporting safely and (don't forget) professsionally, with a "13+ hour duty day "HAPPY SMILE," approx. 65,000 citizens (who are GUARANTEED every civil right known to God) annually per pilot. Don't mean to be ****y, but I am in pain from the blisters that I devoped while burrying the gold jewelry that I stole from my inlaws house this weekend (thank God they live in the city and will never suspect me!). I've decided to run for Congress and leave this brutal fight that I may not win (learned that tactic in the recent DADT DoD battle) to you guys. Do I have any grass roots support? Press 1 for support and 2 for GFYS! Bottom Line: Hold the Line!

I heard that idea of ending congress pensions and I love it.

Somebody had numbers once on how many of congressman are millionaires and how many left congress millionaires who made their money while in congress.

When I start my DC-8 airline, the boarding music will change in cruise to the sound of a DC-7. Just a constant rumble of propellers.

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