Probably the wording. I didn't mean to imply that those involved had epic cranks (of which I have no knowledge), but rather that the actual stepping on process part was pretty epic.

I could see Slow's confusion.

Nu

 

Hey FTB I know you are aware we have the payscales for the CRJ900 and E190. (which are the same and shouldn't be in my opinion but thats another subject) The payscales basically put us on the same level as the 9E pilots for the 900. Our CA scales are a little lower but there fo scales are lower. I know there are many other work groups involved in the operation but as far as we are concerened no reason our pilots couldn't operate any future 900's if the payscales are in line. I mean if they want the smaller airframes for some right sizing into some markets we are all set to oblige them for the same cost as the regionals.

 

Please enlighten us all then...

or better yet, could you point out just one instance of where our contract actually protects us? I mean, when we hit (767?) mainline aircraft, they can add 3 for barbie jets... 3..FOR..1. Protection? hardly. Pathetic is more like it.

(And if those things are "regional". I am an astronaut.)

 

Details please? Are you saying there was NO chance of getting those guys on our list? In fact, I would go as far as to say "those guys BACK on our list" (the first of the guys were our furloughs).

Not trying to argue, just want to see how you guys see the history......

Ferd

Nu......great post and the way I remember it too.

 

Us Patient Internet warriors await . So let's here the argument

 

For something completely different...

Are we out of the ********* in Williamsburg?

Check out ATLM88B rotation 9399 on 9/1/11. It lists the overnight as ********** Hampton. I did a Google search and there is such a hotel next to the Hampton Road Air Museum. It's still a bit of drive from the airport, but there seems to be stuff to do (and eat and drink) around there.

If this is indeed a new hotel, I hope it's permanent and not some temporary deal because of the holiday weekend.

 

Funny. The truth is if we end scope we end whipsaws. That is a nonstarter for those who run airlines anywhere. I'm sure it's not acceptable by CEOs, boards, creditors, and so on.

Here's an idea. Bar inspired, possibly something Tsquare would like.

Pay us by the CASM. Pay us 1 rate per year of longevity no matter the airplane.

I grabbed a couple of average trips and wanted to see what would happen if you paid 1 rate, could you do it and get close to current rates here at DAL? Then negotiate from there on CASM rates, not flight hours.

This is kind of like turning in a home work assignment that should've been done last night but was done in home room and I have to show my work so here is my work whether it's right or not I don't know. Don't have much time to dwell on it.

But I picked out 1 trip from each of these categories, then replaced the DC9 with E175. I figured we always fly around at .76M at Delta btw.

Is there a single CASM rate we could fly that would closely (give or take these trips aren't necessary the real averages) mirror what our current pay by the hour pay is? For these example trips I settled on around $0.29/asm.

Although you X150 mention the obvious that we do have RJ pay rates already established at DAL that rare competitive, Bar mentioned making the pay productivity based. Well pay us by the passenger mile. Smaller jets will fly more people in the same duty day as an international flight, sometimes 2.5 times the people, but the total ASM will probably be half.

So I think a CASM based pay would give Tsquare what he wants, pay not based on aircraft size, and yet allow Sailing or Slow and others who want to prevent the seniority of the airline being flipped upside down overnight to where there is no junior aircraft so therefore junior pilots have to wait years and years to even get a decent schedule on a small plane.

I don't know. I just wanted to run the numbers and see what this would look like. No agenda. Just curiosity and tinkering. Pan the idea if you want. I'm still in favor of duty hour pay, and if you could do duty hour pay. That way we could tell the Harvard folks of the world we took a big pay cut in our hourly wages (but make SWA pay) while the MIT guys crunch the numbers and determine it's a hoax and while Auburn guys enjoy watching the defending national champions play football in between watching all the hot women.

CTRL + and CTRL - will help you zoom in and out. I've saved this every which way and even made the font an ugly enormous size but by the time it all transfers the picture/table below is the same size every time. I don't know how to make it bigger other than to make it smaller sections. But I wasted enough time already.

 

Your post might be erased because it mentions the hotel crews stay at.

But Hampton is, I guess a step up. It's the town where I grew up. The traffic on I64 back and forth to PHF will be awful at times. And I mean awful.

#1 rule. Don't go far. Don't go east of 64, if you do, you're in my old hood and I mean hood.

#2 rule. Ask them to take you to Mercury Blvd area but it's not close but if you have a long overnight may be worth the nagging but I don't think we do 32 hour layovers much anymore there. I'd say it's about like staying at the old DAY but safer and you may find a local restaurant that may be good or may not be good (think restaurant impossible episode) but it's possible there is something good. But not a whole lot of life down there because life is at mercury blvd and the better life is still across from phf. But this is better than williamsburg. If you jog, go south only, don't go east, north or further west than necessary to run south. There is a bridge that will take you south.

The Museum is not free btw but they make it nice. There is a Valujet DC9 in there, never thought to see if it was DAL. Blackbeard's head was put on a poll on that same inlet, it was a popular pirate hang out 300 years ago. They've tried to make it nice over the years but it's kind of fallen flat because you don't think of downtown Hampton as a destination place. The view will be nice, I don't mean women, the actual view. Hampton University is across the way, they have a pretty campus.

On a cold day you can smell the crab factory. You'll want to puke. Not sure if its the crab factory or not, never been able to buy crabs there to save my life. But when I used to ride the bus to school we'd point fingers at "who done it!" But nobody can pull that smell off.

It's too bad Ft. Monroe isn't commercialized, it's actually got one heck of a piece of property and the moat there I think is the only active Army base with one.

You know one place that might be a neat "downtown" hotel but I'm not sure if the hotel has rooms that open to the inside or outside. But Yorktown. Awesome place to get exercise, the hotel is next to the york river (the bridge you see northwest of PHF). It's got some food, not bad, very local. Kind of neat. Hampton's probably better. I'm all for dropping the downtown requirement for hotels except for cities we decide we want to be downtown at.

 

Good Job FTB on editing the stuff that does not need to be in there.

Carry on.

 

Possible slight correction to the above. I'm told that those percentages were changed with the 777/767-400 agreement, not C2K. That makes sense as I thought I remembered it being before C2K.