Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1051299)

When we had a real cap your pay in a month could not exceed the cap unless you had a GS. If the cap was 75 hours and your actual credit for the month ended up being 82 hours you only got paid for 75. The 7 extra hours rolled over into next month. When you reached a point where they could drop the shortest trip on your line in a month and not put you below the cap then that drop was mandatory and automatic. So if you carried in 12 hours in bow wave and your line was 74 hours with a 10 hour two day as one of the trips you were now projected at 86 with the bow wave. The two day trip would have to be dropped and you would then have 76 hours. This automatic trip drop also applied in the current month to reroutes ect.. that generated extra time. I once had a 1 day trip turn into 7 days. All the credit caused the rest of my trips that month to be dropped.
In conjunction with Bow Wave we had spillback. If you had a month you did not feel like working a lot you could take any trip in the following month departing before the 10th and spill it back to the previous month to fill that month up. You could then pick up more that month. A nice feature when you wanted to build some big off time blocks.
The beauty of bow waves is that it removed all incentive to try and work more unless it was a GS. Back then we used 14 to 15 pilots per narrow body aircraft. Today its 11 to 12 and the aircraft utilization is up. Jobs are way down.

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1051322)

Here's the quick "Math for Morons" on manning and caps. If the cap was 75, and then everyone can fly another 7.5 hours (10%), if all 12,000 of us did that, the company will need 10% fewer pilots, which is 1,200 fewer, or just knock off the bottom 10% in every category and the bottom 1,200 go out the door.

Anyone still think trip parking is a good deal?

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1051332)

I'm amazed how many pilots want to fly to the FAR limits. We're our own worst enemies. I like the old way sailingfun is talking about. Everyone gets paid 75 hours per month unless you greenslip. You can fly more if you want, but it just gets banked so you will have to fly less sometime later. I love that idea. For some reason, pilots don't think of the consequences of everyone flying max schedules. It requires less pilots which means everyone is on lesser paying equipment working more for less money.

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1051332)

I'm amazed how many pilots want to fly to the FAR limits. We're our own worst enemies. I like the old way sailingfun is talking about. Everyone gets paid 75 hours per month unless you greenslip. You can fly more if you want, but it just gets banked so you will have to fly less sometime later. I love that idea. For some reason, pilots don't think of the consequences of everyone flying max schedules. It requires less pilots which means everyone is on lesser paying equipment working more for less money.

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1051365)

I would not allow green slips either, hire more reserves.

Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 1051381)

Why? Because DALPA believes in constructive engagement with the company, and productivity leads to profits, which leads to more money to pay for our new contract. When the survey starts, the question you will inevitably be asked by ALPA reps is " How do you propose we pay for that? We don't get anything for free when we are bargaining."
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Originally Posted by LandGreen2 (Post 1051397)

If DALPA is dumb enough to ask... "How do you propose we pay for that?".... then it is clear they are in way over their heads! That question might even turn up immortalized as a new green bag sticker for DPA!

Let's see...just in case they do ask the question... and forgot what has happened since 2004.

42% paycuts
Lost pension
Work Rules
RJs galore
Sick Leave
Code Shares everywhere