Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-21-2011, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
and ACL flies to Moscow, where helmet laws are complied with
09-21-2011, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
But does that require YSing?
Even if it didn't, you're on the ER. I think they'll run the higher paying jets thin and the lower ones fat if they're going to keep the fat around.
Even if it didn't, you're on the ER. I think they'll run the higher paying jets thin and the lower ones fat if they're going to keep the fat around.
The ER was very busy to the Labor Day weekend, and now it has just died. It is nice to get a break. Next month I have to go work a regular LOT. Scary.
09-21-2011, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
My theory remains they are parking crews on the MD88 and staffing most everything else for a capacity reduction. The 767 and ER are one part seasonal and one part a reluctance to close the domestic category in ATL.
We will see on this next bid. Another big purge to the MD88 right seat will be getting the ducks lined up in seniority order. Watch the ratio of MD88 FO's to Captains.
We will see on this next bid. Another big purge to the MD88 right seat will be getting the ducks lined up in seniority order. Watch the ratio of MD88 FO's to Captains.
09-21-2011, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
You can get ones that look like this, but you can also end up with something that will scare the living daylights out of you.
maybe that's why she's wearing a full-face helmet?
09-21-2011, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Very good New. I'd like to laugh 
, but it kind of hurts. 
Frontier, don't they fly our EMB-175s?
The only thing I can say about a pension, whats to stop it from being cancelled some other day? I'd rather have the money in my hands to screw up then to be eliminated. Cuts to military pensions are being discussed again and that's from an employer who can print money... and does.
, but it kind of hurts. Frontier, don't they fly our EMB-175s?
The only thing I can say about a pension, whats to stop it from being cancelled some other day? I'd rather have the money in my hands to screw up then to be eliminated. Cuts to military pensions are being discussed again and that's from an employer who can print money... and does.
I think I threw in the pension thing because I'm going to be making some tough decisions in the next few months regarding my mother and the fact that she has a pension makes some of them easier.
We do still need an enhanced retirement though.
09-21-2011, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
OMG you're my new best friend call me every 5 minutes!!!!!
I added a little bit in bold, but otherwise you just Chuck Norris'd that into next week!
I added a little bit in bold, but otherwise you just Chuck Norris'd that into next week!
09-21-2011, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
I'm not even sure why you would think that a bunch of guys who have stepped up to the plate to represent and make efforts to improve the pay and working conditions of the pilots of Delta Air Lines would be doing anything OTHER than working to maximize the amount of compensation and benefits for the pilots of Delta! They ARE working towards improving our situation...every day!.... It's just that 15 months before a contract is amendable and the pilots have not been surveyed is not the appropriate time or place to go off and start beating your war drums. I have no doubt we will see the big guns come out, but they have to be unleashed at the right time for maximum effect. It's that "don't fire until you see the whites of their eyes" thing. ......
09-21-2011, 08:14 PM
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Since everyone is talking about contract items that cause staffing reductions, here is my prediction for an item in the management opener and why many pilots won't realize/care about the immediate and future job losses it can cause.
Virtual Basing a.k.a. Satellite Basing (fNW).
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Benefits to company: Money saved on infrastructure/rent. (See Commercial Real Estate listings in CVG and MSP)
Fewer CPOs (see above) and fewer CPs (reduce number of seniority list management pilots required) Reduce admin jobs (fewer CPOs)
Reduction in pilot staffing
The amount depends on how the language is written.
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One of the last proposals by fNW would have allowed satellite basing with the following "perks" for pilots. Pilot would get positive space to and from sat base. Pilot would get company paid hotel room.
Perks for management? Pilot on call as reserve the day prior to a trip originating from sat base (not paid for reserve day). No deadhead pay to/from sat base at beginning or end of rotation(less pilot staffing required).
If you think its not a significant staffing hit, consider that once you let the camels nose in the tent (think the first time we granted 50 seat RJ relief or first agreement to codeshare with ALK), further erosion will be on the table at every contract negotiation that follows. How about sat bases at NRT and AMS? How about DFW, CVG, MEM and SEA? Maybe we can just have one master base in ATL, one CPO in ATL and we can move pilots around the system by paying their hotel rooms instead of deadhead pay.
Some will think this is a great deal because it MAY end their commuting problems and will want to try it on for size.
I predict this is already in the management opener waiting to be presented
I prefer to slap the camel's nose to keep it out of the tent and then secure and patch up the existing leaks.
End rant.
Virtual Basing a.k.a. Satellite Basing (fNW).
==================================================
Benefits to company: Money saved on infrastructure/rent. (See Commercial Real Estate listings in CVG and MSP)
Fewer CPOs (see above) and fewer CPs (reduce number of seniority list management pilots required) Reduce admin jobs (fewer CPOs)
Reduction in pilot staffing
The amount depends on how the language is written.
==================================================
One of the last proposals by fNW would have allowed satellite basing with the following "perks" for pilots. Pilot would get positive space to and from sat base. Pilot would get company paid hotel room.
Perks for management? Pilot on call as reserve the day prior to a trip originating from sat base (not paid for reserve day). No deadhead pay to/from sat base at beginning or end of rotation(less pilot staffing required).
If you think its not a significant staffing hit, consider that once you let the camels nose in the tent (think the first time we granted 50 seat RJ relief or first agreement to codeshare with ALK), further erosion will be on the table at every contract negotiation that follows. How about sat bases at NRT and AMS? How about DFW, CVG, MEM and SEA? Maybe we can just have one master base in ATL, one CPO in ATL and we can move pilots around the system by paying their hotel rooms instead of deadhead pay.
Some will think this is a great deal because it MAY end their commuting problems and will want to try it on for size.
I predict this is already in the management opener waiting to be presented
I prefer to slap the camel's nose to keep it out of the tent and then secure and patch up the existing leaks.
End rant.
09-21-2011, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Nosmo King
Since everyone is talking about contract items that cause staffing reductions, here is my prediction for an item in the management opener and why many pilots won't realize/care about the immediate and future job losses it can cause.
Virtual Basing a.k.a. Satellite Basing (fNW).
==================================================
Benefits to company: Money saved on infrastructure/rent. (See Commercial Real Estate listings in CVG and MSP)
Fewer CPOs (see above) and fewer CPs (reduce number of seniority list management pilots required) Reduce admin jobs (fewer CPOs)
Reduction in pilot staffing
The amount depends on how the language is written.
==================================================
One of the last proposals by fNW would have allowed satellite basing with the following "perks" for pilots. Pilot would get positive space to and from sat base. Pilot would get company paid hotel room.
Perks for management? Pilot on call as reserve the day prior to a trip originating from sat base (not paid for reserve day). No deadhead pay to/from sat base at beginning or end of rotation(less pilot staffing required).
If you think its not a significant staffing hit, consider that once you let the camels nose in the tent (think the first time we granted 50 seat RJ relief or first agreement to codeshare with ALK), further erosion will be on the table at every contract negotiation that follows. How about sat bases at NRT and AMS? How about DFW, CVG, MEM and SEA? Maybe we can just have one master base in ATL, one CPO in ATL and we can move pilots around the system by paying their hotel rooms instead of deadhead pay.
Some will think this is a great deal because it MAY end their commuting problems and will want to try it on for size.
I predict this is already in the management opener waiting to be presented
I prefer to slap the camel's nose to keep it out of the tent and then secure and patch up the existing leaks.
End rant.
Virtual Basing a.k.a. Satellite Basing (fNW).
==================================================
Benefits to company: Money saved on infrastructure/rent. (See Commercial Real Estate listings in CVG and MSP)
Fewer CPOs (see above) and fewer CPs (reduce number of seniority list management pilots required) Reduce admin jobs (fewer CPOs)
Reduction in pilot staffing
The amount depends on how the language is written.
==================================================
One of the last proposals by fNW would have allowed satellite basing with the following "perks" for pilots. Pilot would get positive space to and from sat base. Pilot would get company paid hotel room.
Perks for management? Pilot on call as reserve the day prior to a trip originating from sat base (not paid for reserve day). No deadhead pay to/from sat base at beginning or end of rotation(less pilot staffing required).
If you think its not a significant staffing hit, consider that once you let the camels nose in the tent (think the first time we granted 50 seat RJ relief or first agreement to codeshare with ALK), further erosion will be on the table at every contract negotiation that follows. How about sat bases at NRT and AMS? How about DFW, CVG, MEM and SEA? Maybe we can just have one master base in ATL, one CPO in ATL and we can move pilots around the system by paying their hotel rooms instead of deadhead pay.
Some will think this is a great deal because it MAY end their commuting problems and will want to try it on for size.
I predict this is already in the management opener waiting to be presented
I prefer to slap the camel's nose to keep it out of the tent and then secure and patch up the existing leaks.
End rant.
wait a minute... chess in Moscow? The A330 goes to Moscow? you dogs. Nothing wrong with Dayton you know.
09-21-2011, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
And Nosmo is playing chess and not checkers...
wait a minute... I think I know why you're playing chess now...
wait a minute... I think I know why you're playing chess now...
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