I heard guys talking about this my last trip as well. Their rumor was actually 25% for a 2 year extension. Also heard that contract extensions don't have to be voted on by the pilot group. Anyone know if thats true.

So in your alternate universe there would be no non-disclosure agreements with the company and DPA?

5 is too long for $1M. I'll go with 2, will settle at 3.

Also, when it comes to scope, the pilots will get to vote in every contract, plus we get $10M/ea.

That was on my survey essay section. Among other stuff including ending the holdings company loophole (weak language), paint schemes, pilots vote on the contracts, ending 51-76 seat flying even if that flying doesn't come back to mainline, and some other stuff.

With the right work rule improvements, I could agree with that statement.

I'm interested in the effect on total pay, not just pay rates.

[QUOTE=Carl Spackler;1064199]... My hope is that DPA will continue to resist any of these kinds of suggestions that will only result in you spinning your wheels until you run out of gas.<<<


As opposed to DPA having us spinning our wheels for a couple of years while they file for a vote, wait for vote, appeal vote, etc. All the while, the NMB and Mgt will say, let us know when you have that figured out and we'll let you start to negotiate again.

DPA is NOT the answer, particularly months before Section 6 opens.

T

Curious, what % increase would you want to see it and how would you make say a 5% increase equal that percentage?

OK, after the next trip to SFO (since we are all domesticated now) with me you will change that statement...:D

I dont know what work rules can be improved to satisfy my appetite for a 72% PAYRAISE.

Maybe 60% FAE for the last 4 years of service for pension. or a $3 MILLION DOLLAR pension to take with us when we retire.

I sure know I do not want to fly more than 70-80 hours (MAX!) a month. I know friends who make more than me flying 95 hour months with less hourly rate. That is not what I want or aim for. THis is HELL!!!!:confused:

Ten

It's not an alternate universe ace. It's exactly how things were back when ALPA behaved like a union instead of the communications arm of management.

I personally told one of our managers that we all know negotiations is just sanctioned lying. Why would I need to sign an NDA to hear your lies when I know you'll just tell me without an NDA? At least without your NDA, I can tell my members about your lies. He just laughed, and I smiled back.

NDA's do nothing but separate union leaders from their members. Which is precisely what management wants.

Carl

Contract extensions?? various %'s thrown about... and OMG they don't have to be voted on!!!!! Come on guys, really?