SWA plus reasonable premiums. Forget the emotional "Caddilac with a month's pay" nonsense and don't even throw around SWA+ in terms of actual total percentages. Just SWA plus reasonable premiums plus COLA to all sections of the contract (and that includes reasonable premiums). The NMB will be extremely hard pressed to say we can't have parity plus reasonable premiums to account for our significantly higher per pilot revenue with a darling super ultra low cost profitable competitor with 100% scope.

So with this particular rumor, how massive is the scope recapture and work rule restoration, buffs in retirement and vacation, positive sick leave reform and year two COLA does this rumored proposal contain?

Just 25% pay and nothing else...nah. Let's just get the clock started with the NMB in that case.

25% in 2 years (including a separate 5% or so at the start of year 2 for COLA) plus significant scope recapture at the DCI, Alaska and JV levels plus other things we need for QOL in the near term would be far better than XX% 5 years from now with little other improvements and the same or even more career trashing outsourcing.

Almost everything you said would be great, but some people only think about the money. We need to use the leverage, but I don't know if Dalpa would do it.

Boulwarism?
 

Carl,

That might save time, but I believe the NLRB held that making one "take it or leave it" offer and refusing to budge constitutes an unfair labor practice. It was a case in the '60s where General Electric allegedly did this, and I assume the ruling means that unions can't do it either.

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Absolutely. There is no comparison to poker to be made. The cards come by chance, whereas the survey results are very deliberately put together after (hopefully) thousands of hours of work by the Delta pilots. To me, ALPA is overusing these analogies and hoping we won't think about it too hard.
I may be a little suspicious, but let's say we were given a summary of the results now. And let's say they don't match up to many of our expectations. We would likely attribute this to the legalese in the survey and DPA would get a big push. This could happen in time to change unions before openers.

Now let's say they don't tell us the survey results now. The company will be able to deduce them from the opener. In fact, I doubt the company cares that much about the results of the survey. They care about where we will start and how much we can be talked down. If we don't know the survey results, we might not get angry enough to get DPA the cards they need.

And, why the he!! do we have to be so suspicious of our own union? Can you form a union to negotiate with your other union on your behalf? To make sure they aren't taking advantage of you?

If you are referring to a MSP rep, I checked on that, and from what every other person I have talked to who was a witness to that comment, the quotes are taking what he said out of context. I was not there, so I am going off of what others has told me.

If he also thinks that way, he is up for reelection.

Thanks, not restoration though.

Are you managing my expectations?;)

Just messing with you. Thanks for the reply.

KATL to DAL Training Center
 

What is the quickest and cheapest way to go from Atlanta's airport to the training center on Virginia Avenue?

Thanks.

Are you talking Southwest hourly rates or Southwest block hour costs? The company will attempt to use block hour costs with the NMB. If however we also go for Southwest block hours costs we will not get to the NMB. The company will sign the contract right away since it will not involve a large cost increase.
Be careful what you wish for since you might just get it. Lots of great things reported here about SW but when you go before the NMB they are going to have actual hard numbers of company reports not forum legend.
Southwest total block hour costs were 698 verses 690 at Delta. Delta's costs are skewed by 3 and 4 man operations but even when adjusted your looking at 650 for two man ops. In straight compensation Southwest averaged 166,000 per pilot. Delta Average 142,000 per pilot.
I don't know about you but my goals are quite a bit higher then that.

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Quickest way is probably the Hilton or Doubletree bus from ground transportation (tip the driver to keep the service). Cheapest way is the Delta GO bus by the lower level 2S door will drop you in front of the training center, but it runs somewhat less frequently (20 minute schedule).