Um. Is that 25% per year? :rolleyes:

Yes, over 5 years. 2/1/1/1/1. Nevermind that our own CEO is saying in company publications to employees that we are in a period of stagflation. DALPA and the company had better understand that whatever comes our way, FULL inflation, compounded yearly, will be backed out of any and all claims of "a raise over the life of" rhetoric.

And let me guess, give up 100 seaters but oh, oh, oh, they will have "limits" like "only 88 seats" (100 seater with a first class the way management wants to fly them anyway) and can only do a certain percentage of the "hub to hub" or whatever.

Doesn't one of the regional outsourcing black holes come up for renewal in about 2 years? I think it was one of the smaller ones with SKYW but I'm not sure who its with. Agree to end that and reduce the outsourced "large RJ's" by the same amount. 25% on day 1, then 10% on 1 year after signing (to make up for the 5% we lost over the last year as well as covering the next year) plus 1% more B fund plus COLA to our per diem (retroactive to the last time it was increased) a massive vacation overhaul in our favor and enough line holder and reserve work rule changes to make 2 more years palatable, reigning in the AK code share abuses, future guarantees of DL pilot beneficial JV's if any more are sought, early openers again with accelerated mediation language and guaranteed COLA plus an initial 10-20% at the end of 2 years if we haven't reached an agreement, fix the use it or lose it sick pay system and I would consider such an extension (depending on every single other line of fine print in the entire contract, any one bad line of which could torpedo the entire thing).

That would be a net 37ish% in 366 days with partial scope recapture/strengthening at all 3 levels of our airline plus the necessary improvements required to press on in the interim.

Oh and 33% more underboob. That is a strike item.

I've always hated the idea of NDA's. I guess the BOD guy would have to maybe do it, but other than that, forget it.

If ALPA is supposed to have this awesome EF'nA then we don't really need double secret classified nonsense that we can't tell you about but trust me and sign here.

If the EF'nA isn't sufficient, then what makes anyone think the company would be 100% honest with any of us, especially those of us who are sworn not to tell?

I think NDA's are a great way to divide the pilot group into elite leadership that knows more than the rank and file but can't tell them why. When that happens, we all lose.

Yeah, knowing about things like mergers where we wind up with 5.6% of the company and over 20% increase in direct compensation, or Joint Ventures where we get unprecedented production balance protections compared to the results of those non-NDA signing union guys...

I can see where you think those things are nonsense.:rolleyes:

Sheesh....

I finally found a post where Spackler told the truth about himself:

5.6% of the company...Sheesh...I would have preferred DALPA restore our contract when we had that merger leverage...or at the very least establish a timetable with snapbacks tied to executive compensation!

Slow;

Seems to me that 5.6% of the company cost us about 3-4 times the market cap of the company at bankruptcy exit. What a deal! Why doesnt ALPA recommend that the pilots buy Comair for a couple billion too.

You spin your way, I'll spin my way.

This is populist drivel. On a very superficial level I can understand the appeal of the negative view of NDA's, especially if you completely distrust everything ALPA does as well as the people who volunteer, but as with most things the reality is far more in-depth, complex, and shades of gray.

I suggest you call your Reps, past or present, and they can give you numerous historical examples of where the NDA has given this pilot group advantages they would not have had otherwise. Being privy to corporate intel and plans ahead of the market and your competitors does not make you "in bed" with them. There are numerous times our interests align, just as there are numerous times they do not. Being opportunistic when they do to our collective advantage is bad how?

If you want to believe in grassy knolls behind every ALPA action there is no hope in a logical discussion.