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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
(Post 1063655)
I'll save tsquare the trouble. It's "lose." :D
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Originally Posted by FlyingViking
(Post 1063661)
Thanks, don't wanna listen to that all the way to GRU.....
meh. No GRU for me anytime soon.. I been domesticated! |
Originally Posted by RoughLandings
(Post 1063696)
How 'bout them Badgers? Your prediction that they'll be in the bcs championship looks much better after that thrashing they put on Nebraska.
Tyler Bray for Hypeman! |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1063841)
If this were true, we wouldn't have the DPA movement. The problem is that many of us explicitly do not trust the MEC to do what we ask. We expect them to do what they want, then hide behind survey results that we never get to see.
As much as I want them to start tuning the drum, Tim has it right, if I took a stand on scope, there would be a few pilots that got upset that I was speaking for them, and it was not their opinion. As much as I want the stand against any type of scope sales, he is dead on. But we're not talking about giving anything up. We're talking about achieving an industry LEADING contract. How strongly do you support that? Carl It will make negotiations difficult as no one from the company will want a deal that we want until they know what AMR will get from their pilots. I am willing to wait that one out, because I know what I will vote yes for, and it is above SWA, which frankly should not be where we set our sights, we should set the bar higher, and for a ton of reasons: Most of our most efficient domestic lift has been outsourced, therefore a apples to apples comparison on efficiency is still off. We must compare pilot block hrs, not flt hrs, and when we do that, we actually are more efficient in some months and slightly less than other. We fly international flying, and all they do is domestic high frequency stuff. You cannot effectively compare that. These are the same reasons I did not go to SWA. The contract needs so much improvement here that it may in fact be a long process, but one that I know ALPA will succeed in if, 1) we force the issue by showing up, keeping our reps feet to the fire, and 2) We allow alpa a unified group backing the section 6 process. We we get those two things, ALPA will do will in the first full section six at a legacy carrier in a decade. That last point is very important. Everything up to this point has been a merger contract or a concessionary deal. They know they need to hit a home run, but they like anyone must have us, the pilot there to support the position to the end. |
Originally Posted by Timbo
(Post 1063717)
No...but I'll take your word for it. Like I said, I didn't come up with the numbers but I'm going to put 150% raise on my survey, just to offset all the asshats who will put something lame like 25%.
And on the Man Card? Well if the Jets would just play football instead of feild hockey, I wouldn't be watching Pan Am! Ken Burns has a new series on Prohibition. Since that nightmare ended, it wasn't so depressing. It actually is very interesting. |
LAX DEN announced
on DCI... You gotta read the fine print ;-) 4x daily RT on CRJ700 starting June 2012 Cheers George |
Originally Posted by Timbo
(Post 1063685)
Here's something to keep in mind when you fill out your contract survey:
Delta Pilots C2K Restoration Facts (Contract 2013 Survey Reference Guide) ■2004 LOA #46 concessions saves Delta nearly $1B per year[1] ■2006 LOA #51 Pilot Pension termination savings potential excess of $1B[2] ■Concessions1: Since 2004 (just a few of the highlights) ■32.5% Pay Cut = 29.5% when adjusted for pay rate increases through 2012 (Requires a 41.5% increase to restore C2K w/o a COLA) ■(PMNW) 29% total Pay Cut = 5% when adjusted for 2012 B757 pay rates (received a 33% increase to this rate) ■Per Diem Reduced (Int. $2.90 to $2.50, Dom. $2.40 to $2.00) ■Night Pay lost (CA - $15, FO - $10) ■International Pay reduced (CA - $8 to $6, FO - $6 to $4) ■Reduced Vacation Day Value (3.75 to 3.0) ■Lost 6th week of Vacation ■Sick Leave Bank system greatly reduced & diluted ■Accident Leave reduced (120 days to 90 days) ■Change to PBS scheduling system with loss of reserve High/Low Yellow Slip ■Monthly Cap system changed to ALV reducing the minimum monthly guarantees ■Delta 2008 Contract vs Industry Leaders[3]: (a few more highlights) ■15+ year CA B767, $189hr vs $262hr (a 39% increase, C2K = $268hr) ■12 year FO % of CA pay, 68.3% vs 71.6% ■Regular Line Guarantee, 65hrs vs 81hrs ■Reserve Line Guarantee, 70hrs vs 81hrs ■Vacation Pay Per Day, 3.00hrs vs 6.00hrs ■Training Pay, 3:15hrs vs 4:40hrs (3:30 if <6:00hrs, think CQ on CD or distance learning) ■Sick Leave, 240hrs (3yr spread) w/ no bank vs 90hrs year w/ 1080hr bank ■Medical PPO + Dental monthly premium, $399 vs $35 ■Disability Pay, 50% vs 66.6% ■Delta carries 160 million passengers per year[4] ■Delta has successfully raised fares 10 times this year $6 - $10 round trip[5] ■Delta made $952M in “Baggage Fees” alone during 2010[6] ■A $1B contract restoration would cost $6.25 per passengers (This happens to be the price of Delta’s “Fruit & Cheese Plate” or a Venti, Non-fat Latte) Can Delta Air Lines afford to restore C2K ? or even C2K+ ? Tell DALPA what YOU think, fill out the survey AND contact your LEC representatives. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [1] DALPA 2011 Contract History [2] AirWise News, US Bankruptcy Court – Reuters, 9/5/06 [3] DALPA 2011 Contract Comparison [4] Delta News Release 7/6/11, news.delta.com [5] J.P.Morgan – Jamie Baker, USA Today 9/9/11 [6] AirlineReporter.com 7/1/11 |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1063819)
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Originally Posted by georgetg
(Post 1063897)
LAX DEN announced
on DCI... You gotta read the fine print ;-) 4x daily RT on CRJ700 starting June 2012 Cheers George |
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