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Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1065709)

ACL- We all want restoration of our contract. The loan and sacrafice that we have given this company in their time of need has to be reconciled with. A pay raise on top of that would be nice. As a minimum, we have the nothing less than SWA crowd arguing with the DALPA acolytes, as they try to manage expectations down, over trip pay and w2's.

C12K is a an emotional and angst ridden topic. We have a contract comparison that is skewed towards airlines and data that doesn't reflect all of our competitors. It is missing data on KLM/AF, and that information will not materialize, if it does, until after the survey closes.

Basically, there is already an organized effort to manage expectations down.

Why one might ask?

STOP MANAGING EXPECTATIONS DOWN!!!!!! SWA is NOT a comparision, I'm sick and tired of DPA types shortchanging the upside of the "acceptable range" by using SWA!!!

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Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1065709)

Perhaps some math and basic human behavior can answer the ? and might be a key to better aligning our goals and needs.

DALPA reps make 92 hours a mo. on the highest equipment they can hold in any base. Add to that a $1,000.00/mo. stipend.

Assuming there are reps that are on the 75/76A that can hold 777A on paper, here is the difference.

767a @ 182hr @ 70 hrs (for oct) grosses $12,740

777a @ 217hr @ 92 hrs (always) grosses $20,872 with the stipend. Disclaimer: these are basic gross figures and don't include any other income i.e. green slips.

Anyone on trip loss cannot pick up flying over the limit. Anything they make over the limit (87 for vols.) has to go back to the union. Also, it is against all policy to pick up a green slip while on trip loss(i.e. volunters take home no more than 87 per month, if your union work days plus flying equal more than 87, the excess comes off of the union contribution to your hours) and if you can prove it has happened I will be right next to you at the disciplinary hearing/recall election.

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Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1065709)

I think there are some among us that are already getting restoration pay. And, why would they risk upsetting the apple cart. Might they be motivated for a status quo agreement that is comfortable for the company and Wall Street?

What is the motivation for a guy to limit his own paycheck and not maximize the benefit for his own family? Is that how YOU would behave if in their position?

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Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1065709)

Now, back to ACL's point. What if the disenfranchised pilots that are frustrated with the current tone and management of expectations became engaged and changed the compensation for DALPA volunteers to what they currently hold at the average line value for that category. Throw in the stipend and per diem and thats it.

I imagine that very quickly we all would be fighting for restoration.

Do it. You do realize that the pay limit for all volunteers changes every year based on the total pay hours divided by the number of pilots per month right? Currently, the average hours PER pilot, PER month over the year has been 87. If we hit a recession that number will go down. You could drop an email to the MEC Treasurer or read the policy manual for more detailed info....... Or keep making stuff up, your choice.

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Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1065709)

I am short on the details of whether this would be a resolution change, policy manual change, or involve recalls, but if the pilots want it and support it, it could be organized and happen. A showing of grass roots unity to achieve true unity. We all need to be pulling the same oars in the same boat.

Of course you are, if you read up on it you would be able to take actions to DEMOCRATICALLY change the current system, but as most of the "sentiment crowd", you have removed yourself from the conversation.

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Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1065969)

STOP MANAGING EXPECTATIONS DOWN!!!!!!

Hilarious! Is THIS the new talking point memo from Shill Central? Too funny.

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Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1065969)

SWA is NOT a comparision,

Obviously DALPA didn't think so because they lied about SWA in the contract comparisons. And if DALPA really considered SWA's contract unacceptably low, wouldn't DALPA exaggerate SWA's contract upward so as to make ours look worse? Instead DALPA exaggerated SWA's contract downward so as to make ours look better by comparison...thus needing less of an increase.

Then there's the whole issue of DALPA waiting until our survey closes before releasing data on AF/KLM and our other international competitors...but I hate to pile on.

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Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1065969)

I'm sick and tired of DPA types shortchanging the upside of the "acceptable range" by using SWA!!!.

At least DPA knows the truth about SWA because we've actually contacted SWAPA...unlike DALPA that has not contacted SWAPA. Much better to just make stuff up about the SWAPA contract. And nobody has said the SWAPA contract constitutes the "upside acceptable range" of our contract. But then again, accuracy has never been your strong suit.

Carl

ftb ponders over starting drinking:

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Second serious question of the day.

I read unical offered their pilots DAL + 1. If the SWA contract is not much better than ours, why don't we just ask for an exact copy of it.? Scope and all. Then adjust the rates up off the 737.

This should be easy, given what I have seen on the comparisons.

*disclaimer - I know how good the SWA contract really is

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Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1065899)

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Uhhh, I eat grits. (NC boy). And love them. Even have my NorCal hippie chick wife and kids eating them.

I do, however, draw the line at Awful House.

Really happy to see Krash get the ATL gig. I'm loving this team coming together!

I will do shrimp and grits. I had that at a BBQ restaurant once and it was awesome.

But regular grits over hash browns? No way. Maybe at some mom and pop diner but not at the Awful Waffle.

I like mine just chunked, but I can go for smothered covered chunked.

I mean do you realize your order envy as you sit there at the bar area in front of the gril and watch them make hash browns and cook them just a little too long so they're extra crunchy?

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1065879)

FTB and Ferd nailed it. Its a down home version of an MMPI question.
Correct answer is hash browns, but that's not one of the choices.

Here is how you answer that.

SD: "Grits or hash browns?"

FTB: "Hash browns."

SD: "Really, you sure about that?"

FTB: "Yes."

SD: "Really sure?"

FTB: "Okay here is the deal. I can't decide between the waffle deal or the ham and cheese omelet deal. Nobody makes a soft massive waffle quite like the waffle house and with it comes bacon, hash browns, scrambled eggs and toast. But the ham and cheese omelet is so supper soft and fluffy and the cheese so gooey and it too comes with bacon, toast and hash browns.

It's a hard choice. In fact it's almost too hard of a choice and I don't appreciate the predicament. A real Southern man is going to do this, he is going to order the supper soft and fluffy Ham and Cheese Omelet meal, with hash browns chunked. And he's going to eat it. And he's going to be sweet to the waitress desperately trying to get a $2 tip from him. And he will give her the $2 tip. And tell that cook, "damn good job."

And then he is going to walk out of that waffle house and walk across the street and go to the other waffle house. He's going to already have change in his pocket for the USA Today and he will get one before he walks in. He will pony up to the bar and order the All Star Special, with... hash browns. They're that damn good. And eggs scrambled. He may splurge and go with the biscuit over toast though. So good that after reading the front page of the USA Today, the editorial page, some of the red section and indulging in the guilty pleasure that is the purple section, he will get up, tip $2, pay the bill, ask for change and walk over to the jukebox and select any one of these hits....

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... and walk out.

But one thing this southern man will never ever do is order anything but the waffle or omelet special. Whether it is 6am, 10am, 1pm, 5pm, 3am. It will always be breakfast at the Awful Waffle.

SD: "You realize a pen... is a pen. Right?"

FTB: "$130K a year min reserve guarantee for a 6 year MD88 B, adjust the rest of the fleet accordingly."

SD: "We know who you are."

FTB: "....... $129.9K a year min reserve guarantee for a 6 year MD88 B, adjust the rest of the fleet accordingly."

SD: "I'm not the negotiator."

FTB: "And another thing, the HOWGOZIT sucks. As does the term clutter. And another thing, I'm sick and tired of the reporting points being over SPA. Mix it up."

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Originally Posted by Flamer (Post 1065983)

Love it...

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1065980)

ftb ponders over starting drinking:

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REALLY LOVE IT....

I'm hungry now.

BTW, yes there are 3 Waffle Houses on Virginia Avenue. One on the hotel side of 85, one at Spondivits and the other further down by Willy's and the Greek Gyro place.

But sometimes you can get lucky and eat at one and look at the other:
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1065919)

He was a Marine, but then transferred to the Navy. Regarding hats, he's definitely NOT one of those kind of guys.

Carl

I'll bet he is now. If not, all this crap about operation visine is a bunch of whiny bull****.

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Originally Posted by Flamer (Post 1065983)

Exactly correct! But instead we have DALPA erroneously talking about how you: "better be careful what you wish for because SWAPA's contract would require us to furlough_____pilots because the SWA pilots are so much more_____than we are."

More importantly, it would be easily defensible in front of the NMB at the end of the process to simply say: "SWA plus 5%...scope and all."

Carl

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1065994)

I'll bet he is now. If not, all this crap about operation visine is a bunch of whiny bull****.

You lost me there t.

Carl