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Old 11-10-2011 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville
Come on Carl...How could you say it was just your opinion when everyone knows that Delta pilots are the best and most experienced pilot group on the planet?

You can not argue with facts...
You got me there Jonny!

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Old 11-10-2011 | 08:12 PM
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I now know I am destined to be confused for the rest of my career.

Ah... A Fully Qualified Captain! (And part-time mushroom.)
Old 11-10-2011 | 08:18 PM
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I live in base, and choose not to commute...

Been there, can't do that.

But seriously, there are people at this airline who don't commute.

And now we have people who have moved from DFW, CVG, MCO, etc... to ATL and commute from ATL. At some point, we have to stop subsidizing the company's whims.
Well said!

As I've said, commuters provide them marketing flexibility. The company can't have it both ways, helping out commuters is just the price of flexibility.

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Old 11-10-2011 | 09:38 PM
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Well said!

As I've said, commuters provide them marketing flexibility. The company can't have it both ways, helping out commuters is just the price of flexibility.

Ferd


Thanks Ferd.

As a now-involuntary commuter, I and MANY others don't need a lot of cushy ATL-like perks (No TSA 'Love Rubs' or luggage lift-and-screen' speed bumps, among others. ), on our way to our chosen profession, but having reasonable, capable aircraft between our home airport and domicile airport would not only help us, the commuters, but also open markets and attract passengers from some of the other airlines we compete against. Also, by providing the lift from out-station to hub, DAL will have a better handle on crews making their trips. As is...? And we ain't getting younger...I'm just sayin'.

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Old 11-10-2011 | 10:38 PM
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In 3 1/2 years, I would have had to move four times and three would not have been by choice. I'm not willing to put my family through that many moves in such a short period of time. For me... commuting is NOT a choice. After this bid, I'll probably be MD'd AGAIN.
Old 11-11-2011 | 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
That still doesn't explain it to me hoser. We're the lowest paid pilots in our intl JV's. You'd think they'd be using as a whipsaw against them. But instead, our management chooses the higher priced option. For whatever reason, we are our management's last resort.

Carl
Carl the answer is simple, we allow it.
Old 11-11-2011 | 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Cycle Pilot
In 3 1/2 years, I would have had to move four times and three would not have been by choice. I'm not willing to put my family through that many moves in such a short period of time. For me... commuting is NOT a choice. After this bid, I'll probably be MD'd AGAIN.
Yep, and it will be my third MD too. Hate training, and hate commuting more, but the options are getting smaller and smaller that I may forced in to a commute. I really do not want to sit reserve on a NB jet and take that sort of pay cut. It may force me in to commuting from ATL, and that is just plain crazy, but I will do it.

Rough math is about a 35K-40K a year pay difference to be a line holder. With kids in school, taking a pay cut like that is a non starter. I will just put my card in and let the chips fall where they may. Probably NYC 73N.
Old 11-11-2011 | 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
. Probably NYC 73N.
Have you looked thru the bid package ACL? Lots of non commutable JFK trips. Tread lightly bro...
Old 11-11-2011 | 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Cycle Pilot
In 3 1/2 years, I would have had to move four times and three would not have been by choice. I'm not willing to put my family through that many moves in such a short period of time. For me... commuting is NOT a choice. After this bid, I'll probably be MD'd AGAIN.
And that is just unacceptable. There's absolutely nothing more important than your family. In my other line of work, I'm frequently involved with other companies on an executive level. Occasionally there's a need to have a non-executive employee change offices as frequently as you've been forced to do. In ALL cases, there's a company paid move, reimbursement for any loss on your home, and help to settle your children into a good school. This is done for employees that have no contract. It is done because most modern companies understand that moving families is very stressful, and a productive employee who moves at the company's direction is "taking one for the team" not the other way around.

This is just another example of how incredibly bad our contract is. But it's an even worse example of our management's alleged care for employees and their families.

Carl
Old 11-11-2011 | 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Rough math is about a 35K-40K a year pay difference to be a line holder.
That cut in pay will allow Delta to hire two GoJet pilots.
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