Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-08-2012, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
To be clear, it wasn't the C2K rates that caused the scope problem we're dealing with, nor was it simply a matter of "trading scope for pay". The reason C2K is relevant WRT scope was because that was the last full section 6, the pilot group had a pretty good amount of leverage and no RJ's over 50 seats were in service for Delta yet. Additionally, a more comprehensive solution was within reach since the vast majority of DCI lift was done by 2 wholly owned carriers.
The "carrot" of C2K was largely "United plus" pay rates and that target fixation resulted in a huge opportunity to merely cap scope at the 50 seat level which would have been huge from then til today. 3.b.6 was also gotten rid of in the tunnel vision of "United plus" rates. It wasn't that a whole lot of scope was sold per say, but that a huge opportunity to keep the camel's nose out of the tent was passed up. But its all water under the bridge anyway and like you I hope we learn from our mistakes. 255 DC-9-10 replacement jets and hundreds of other other jets are being outsourced right now and no matter how we got to this point we need to work to fix it as well as reduce the Alaska abuse and tighten up the foreign JV language.
The "carrot" of C2K was largely "United plus" pay rates and that target fixation resulted in a huge opportunity to merely cap scope at the 50 seat level which would have been huge from then til today. 3.b.6 was also gotten rid of in the tunnel vision of "United plus" rates. It wasn't that a whole lot of scope was sold per say, but that a huge opportunity to keep the camel's nose out of the tent was passed up. But its all water under the bridge anyway and like you I hope we learn from our mistakes. 255 DC-9-10 replacement jets and hundreds of other other jets are being outsourced right now and no matter how we got to this point we need to work to fix it as well as reduce the Alaska abuse and tighten up the foreign JV language.
I agree with you on scope. We need to fix it. Now. I just get tired of hearing it all blamed on C2K because I think there are some (not you) who are trying to use that for political gain.
01-08-2012, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Amish Pilot
Holy Cow! Nice pass Tebow and a great stiff arm by 88.
Oh.... you're referring to the receiver's number. Nevermind....
01-08-2012, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jabwmu
Reserve Question:
If you are on 24 hrs rest (say 7pm to 7pm), are you required to acknowledge anything from scheduling? Let's suppose they were to call you at 4pm with a trip the next morning at 8am.
My understanding is one would be on long call starting at 7pm after rest, and they would need to call to be placed on short call or have one hour (between 7pm and 8pm) to assign a trip for that next morning.
I've looked all over the contract and don't see anything saying one would have to acknowledge anything while on rest. A message on a machine does not constitute notification.
Thanks.
If you are on 24 hrs rest (say 7pm to 7pm), are you required to acknowledge anything from scheduling? Let's suppose they were to call you at 4pm with a trip the next morning at 8am.
My understanding is one would be on long call starting at 7pm after rest, and they would need to call to be placed on short call or have one hour (between 7pm and 8pm) to assign a trip for that next morning.
I've looked all over the contract and don't see anything saying one would have to acknowledge anything while on rest. A message on a machine does not constitute notification.
Thanks.
01-08-2012, 04:55 PM
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Nevermind.....
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01-08-2012, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Yeah, me too...for my benign and joking response to you yesterday.
Originally Posted by dragon
Dash four as well. Got one for agreeing to another post.
Everyone has a bad day. It's tough being a referee.
Maybe he was having a day like this guy at the 4:00 mark.
I hope UAL has a sense of humor like him, too.
01-08-2012, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Amish Pilot
It's Tebow Time!
01-08-2012, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Probably a good idea. The other mods have decided to mod these pictures, and will give three day breaks for those that continue to post them after they have been warned.
Joke...but go ahead, pull it down.
01-08-2012, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Really? Wow. So, it seems that anyone who participated in the discussion got zapped.
Everyone has a bad day. It's tough being a referee.
Maybe he was having a day like this guy at the 4:00 mark.
I hope UAL has a sense of humor like him, too.
Everyone has a bad day. It's tough being a referee.
Maybe he was having a day like this guy at the 4:00 mark.
I hope UAL has a sense of humor like him, too.
I think UAL was a bit wrapped around the axle. The political stuff was tame. The only thing that was a bit naughty was the nipple on CNI's sideboob post. We self regulate on this thread and for the most part do a pretty good job. It's funny that we see UAL as an outsider raining on our parade. Maybe he is upset that UAL is not getting profit sharing!!!!
01-08-2012, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Jesse
Is there an bid preference option for "avoid mods with a stick up their @$$"?
Joke...but go ahead, pull it down.
Joke...but go ahead, pull it down.
If I agree with you will I get an infraction?
01-08-2012, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Thanks Amish! Hanging in there and moving forward. Are you from the College Park area? I went to high school in Northern VA.
At least they have 16 different uniforms.
I went to Maryland and my sister went to Delaware.
So, I bid BWI layovers in the summer just for the crab cakes.
Last edited by Amish Pilot; 01-08-2012 at 05:40 PM. Reason: Added photo
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