One thing to remember is that we are having an increasing number of over 60 fo's. I have been doing a lot of line checks for these guy's recently.

Also, there will be a FOM change soon that allows two over 60 guy's to be in a control seat for TO/LNDG on international flights

 

Hey Super,

Not reading the PWA, but I believe the automatic release is only if you are going on to golden days. If you are going on to "off days" you must call after 1200 to get an official release.

Contract gurus' ??

 

Correctoo. (two Os in Correctoo, to be topical)

 

Great post!

Sad thing is, your numbers are off...

For the current compliance period we are 8-9% below AFKLM/AZ and projected to stay that way next year. The PWA requirement for 50% won't kick in till 2014. We might just come into compliance in a few years by having AFKLM/AZ shrink.

With MOU14 we got promised something in the future (50% flying in 2014) and gave up our present rights (no ability to enforce a production balance from April 2011 to March 2014)

Ironically the dysfunctional family over at airways actually has a capacity floor for flying and the company can't cut anymore...

I happen to think we can do better, that shouldn't be a controversial thought, that should be the mission objective!

Cheers
George

P.S. I'll use your math
10,000 Delta pilots (cause we keep getting smaller)
Delta capacity in EASKs is 8-9% below AFKLM/AZ's
Makes for 800-900 pilots, no big deal, right!

 

FOM change??? I thought that was an ICAO restriction.

 

Somebody on here mentioned that regardless of the ASM split between us and AF/KLM/AZ, the revenue split will be 50/50. Is that true? If so, it would seem that Af/KLM/AZ would want to get their flying into compliance ASAP. They are bearing the production costs of 58% of the flying, yet only getting 50% of the revenue.

 

Gloopy;
People think this is nuts. Why? Because they believe the value assigned the paper they call money. It would not be surprised to see a lot of debt forgiveness between governments. It allows the paper to still be used as currency, and the current governments and political systems throughout the world to stay in power. Our crisis is about debt, and as soon as the Europe, US, China, and Japan realize that the paper currencies that only have value in their promise to pay the debt are about ready to implode, we will see a lot of government to government and bank to bank loan/debt modification/forgiveness to allow the fiat money supply to continue. We trade paper with little to no backing anyway.

The world's people will go on without much of a hiccup if this occurs because after all we live and work based upon a piece of paper that someone else assigns value to. We cal always inflate our way out of it, but the current debt crunch is so large that drastic measures may need to be taken.

Heck our Fed is backing the Euro right now. When this fails, there will be another extreme measure. The markets may balk, but when they realize that their good deal goes with the current governments of the world, they will begrudgingly play along. Of course this may take a few more decades to be realized, but inflating our way out of this debt would be very painful for the average citizen, and has dangerous repercussions. If they want the world to "right" itself, the paper fiat mediums will have to be adjusted. How and when this will happen is unknown, but I do agree, the current trajectory is unsustainable.

80, no tin foil hat, but one must realize that all of the major governments and their banks own a lot of each others' paper. They can create a solution that keeps them and their way in power.

 

Yes Profits or losses are shared 50-50 on all of the bundle one flying. We were in compliance prior to AZ being added to the AF side of the mix. When they were added our share of the flying was 47.2%. (Read less than 50-50) Due to the fact that the initial AF JV had a 50 50 split, DAL demanded that it be this way with the addition of the AZ EASK's that were being flown day one.

Because all parties agreed to this, a new three year reporting window was stated in April of this year and will not end until March 2014. At any time that the EASK balance is above 49.75% the parties are considered to be in compliance of the new agreement and a new three year reporting window starts. There is no look back to the previous years. Current projections show us being there in 2013. Currently we are on a three year average of about 48.3%.

City pairs like SEA-CDG are going to us because they want the balance to be in compliance for the reasons you stated.

This JV is a percentage only JV it does not have EASK floors. We could conceivably get in to compliance as both parties pull capacity. The change from our percentage of 51.7% to 50% and a new three year reporting window that includes AZ, were agreed to in MOU 14. It modified LOA 16.

 

Actually it's a profit sharing JV...

And in this JV it is possible for Delta to make money without having to shoulder the "burden of flying."
So Delta is "less interested" in fixing the imbalance.
(and they don't have to worry about it until after March 31, 2014)

The Transatlantic JV Protocol specifically states that each pilot group can only bring up issues with the respective corporation...

AFKLM/AZ makes money because the JFK-Berlin pax now connects via AMS or CDG. The transatlantic profit is still shared 50-50, but the Inter-European beyond profit is not an even split. AF or KLM get to fill their European network with Delta connecting pax from the cancelled European destinations.
(how many city-pairs did Delta cancel and how many city-pairs did AFKLM/AZ cancel? Who provides the feed for the Transatlantic JV partners SEA SFO and LAX flights? Who will feed the upcoming Virgin Australia JV?)

Cheers
George

 

I don't remember specific details but the rumor of a change to 3 year compliance was posted on the Dalpa website and the contract guys corrected the post and said it was not the case. The rumor that drifted over there came from there. They posted how it would actually function and the original poster spoke with someone directly and got the gouge on how it works. In fact the clause is why we are picking up several routes from AirFrance such as Chicago and SEA. The Airfrance people are hopping mad about it by the way.