Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-19-2011 | 06:18 PM
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That's a good point.
It's either 0 out of 6, 2 out of 6, 4 out of 6 or 6 out of 6.
What's more likely to go cheap when it comes to dinner? Or get into things it wasn't invited to be in?
It's either 0 out of 6, 2 out of 6, 4 out of 6 or 6 out of 6.
What's more likely to go cheap when it comes to dinner? Or get into things it wasn't invited to be in?
12-19-2011 | 06:21 PM
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Your last part that I bolded is wrong.
There are many that do care and they were just as irked as you are. Many of them did something and got involved. Some things they could change, other things they realized that their interpretation of things was off, and others they realized they were in the minority on, but continued to work to change things.
I agree that I am not paid enough, that I want DAL to want to do its own flying, that we need to force the issue in section 1 of our PWA, etc, what I disagree with is that airing that on a web board is where it needs to stop. (Same goes for sending in a card) If you really want change and want what you demand, get involved in DALPA, or volunteer your time to get them off property.
There are many that do care and they were just as irked as you are. Many of them did something and got involved. Some things they could change, other things they realized that their interpretation of things was off, and others they realized they were in the minority on, but continued to work to change things.
I agree that I am not paid enough, that I want DAL to want to do its own flying, that we need to force the issue in section 1 of our PWA, etc, what I disagree with is that airing that on a web board is where it needs to stop. (Same goes for sending in a card) If you really want change and want what you demand, get involved in DALPA, or volunteer your time to get them off property.
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12-19-2011 | 06:23 PM
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12-19-2011 | 06:27 PM
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12-19-2011 | 06:27 PM
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12-19-2011 | 06:30 PM
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"Almost every attorney" said we had no case regarding RAH, when the spirit of our contract was certainly violated via the exploitation of a loophole.
You may have faith in our contract, lawyers, and DALPA's spine, but based on precedent, I do not.
See also "Delta Connection" paint discussion in a parallel thread.
You may have faith in our contract, lawyers, and DALPA's spine, but based on precedent, I do not.
See also "Delta Connection" paint discussion in a parallel thread.
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12-19-2011 | 06:30 PM
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Wanna bet. I admit I had misconceived ideas about how it really went down. ALPA has issues, but lawyers and negotiators scheming against its pilots is not one of them.
12-19-2011 | 06:33 PM
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From: Poodle Whisperer
I don't think they intentionally scheme against pilots. They get wound up so deeply in their own self righteousness and so called knowledge that they end up in some little sub world that totally misses the real world ramifications of their actions.
12-19-2011 | 06:35 PM
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12-19-2011 | 06:37 PM
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This is one of the big problems I see with ALPA. We get our EF&A from ALPA National resources. We get our legal advice from ALPA National. There's just too much possibility that the info/advice/legal language we get is influenced by ALPA National's responsibility to represent ALL of its member pilots, many of whom have interests that are diametrically opposed to ours.
And then we have examples like the RAH thing and the Delta Connection paint thing. Symptoms of a problem that I don't see how one can deny.
And then we have examples like the RAH thing and the Delta Connection paint thing. Symptoms of a problem that I don't see how one can deny.
This!!!
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