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Old 12-22-2011, 09:06 AM
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...In last week’s code-a-phone, management stated that they intend to initiate service into these new markets in LGA with smaller gauge aircraft in order to build the market and then up gauge to mainline aircraft as demand and the markets mature...
Remember back in 2010:
Delta Air Lines announced the launch of an 11-times-daily New York LaGuardia-Chicago O'Hare E-175 shuttle service beginning June 10,2010
Current Status:
18 months after service start, still all EMB-170 Shuttle America
June 10 2012, 2-years later: still all EMB-170 Shuttle America

You know, because LGA-ORD is an "emerging market"...

TOP 50 markets served from LGA:




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Old 12-22-2011, 09:08 AM
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I can see the company "testing out" new markets with RJs in LGA or from small routes like Norfolk-LGA, but Dallas to LGA, RJs 6 times a day? That's the 4th largest metroplex in the country to the largest in the country.

How much bigger a market do you need for mainline jet?

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=c:red,LGA...X=720x360&PM=*
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Old 12-22-2011, 09:08 AM
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Can someone explain our retirement benefits for me? I was looking in the PWA, and it looks like our DC plan should be 11% contribution from the company, but when I divide the contribution on my paycheck by my gross earnings it is always under that, so far the paychecks I looked at are between 8.9% and 10.9%. Also, what is the company contribution to the other retirement account? I couldn't find it. Thanks
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Old 12-22-2011, 09:14 AM
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I can see the company "testing out" new markets with RJs in LGA or from small routes like Norfolk-LGA, but Dallas to LGA, RJs 6 times a day? That's the 4th largest metroplex in the country to the largest in the country.

How much bigger a market do you need for mainline jet?

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=c:red,LGA...X=720x360&PM=*
There's no money between massive markets. NYC-DFW should be outsourced just like LA-SEA and BOS-SEA. No money to be made in either. At least we're going after JB's dominance in upstate NY and VT. What better way to compete than with an inferior product with less room, tiny overhead bins, no IFE, high CASM and high per passenger fuel consumption.
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Old 12-22-2011, 09:19 AM
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disregard this post....
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Old 12-22-2011, 09:22 AM
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I almost thought they were getting it until this. I don't care what aircraft the company thinks are needed on those routes or if RJ's really will lead to larger jets some day. That doesn't matter. What matters is the fact that the overwhelming vast supermajority of the LGA growth is outsourced. Would it be "better" if all the growth was "mainline" 737-900's but flown by Alaska pilots? The company can put all the ultra high CASM, ultra high fuel per passenger, super narrowtube low capacity RJ's they want on super premium slot controlled markets but we need to be the ones doing the flying and we are not. That is inexcusable and the urgency for massive scope recapture has just significantly increased. That should have been what that letter said but it fell quite short IMO.
Of course, the the letter has a certain context to it. Yes, they did not go to the point of saying, "RJ's need to be flying by us," but the fact is the Slot swap had nothing to do with recapturing RJ flying. Mainline growth, yes, but not by scope recapture. Again, the kept the letter in the context of the slot swap, and what "assurance" were made.

As with everything, if the pilot go gravitate to the next shiny ball, and do not continually state their discontent with what the company did here, then nothing will ever by gained.
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Old 12-22-2011, 09:29 AM
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Can someone explain our retirement benefits for me? I was looking in the PWA, and it looks like our DC plan should be 11% contribution from the company, but when I divide the contribution on my paycheck by my gross earnings it is always under that, so far the paychecks I looked at are between 8.9% and 10.9%. Also, what is the company contribution to the other retirement account? I couldn't find it. Thanks
36 14. "Earnings" means, for the purposes of a retirement or welfare benefit plan under Section
37 26, the amount of a participant's remuneration that forms the basis for contributions or
38 benefits under that plan.

That is your definition of what earnings are.
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Old 12-22-2011, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy View Post
There's no money between massive markets. NYC-DFW should be outsourced just like LA-SEA and BOS-SEA. No money to be made in either. At least we're going after JB's dominance in upstate NY and VT. What better way to compete than with an inferior product with less room, tiny overhead bins, no IFE, high CASM and high per passenger fuel consumption.
I will agree with that, if after the terminal connector is done, we do not change the gauge in to these markets. Right now it will be a connecting nightmare. DAL better have approval to run buses between the terminals inside security.
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Old 12-22-2011, 09:34 AM
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I will agree with that, if after the terminal connector is done, we do not change the gauge in to these markets. Right now it will be a connecting nightmare. DAL better have approval to run buses between the terminals inside security.
You mean like we've been doing it since 2008 at LAX to connect our crucial "Alaska feed" on the north side...

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Old 12-22-2011, 09:37 AM
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At least we're going after JB's dominance in upstate NY and VT. What better way to compete than with an inferior product with less room, tiny overhead bins, no IFE, high CASM and high per passenger fuel consumption.
A year or two ago I had a day off in NYC between trips, figured I'd visit a friend in Vermont. Took JB up and an RJ back - completely night and day experience. (JB was outstanding, in case you're wondering)

I can't see why someone would purchase a ticket on Delta if Jetblue is on the route.
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