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Speaking of politics, anyone want to tell us what massive military budget cuts may do to Delta? For example maybe cuts in charter, or guys on MLOA returning (no hiring needed) to a lot of MIL on next hiring trickle which many thought wouldn't happen. Insiders have any thoughts on what may happen?
Last edited by UAL T38 Phlyer; 01-07-2012 at 12:27 PM. Reason: TOS; Political Content
Speaking of politics, anyone want to tell us what massive military budget cuts may do to Delta pilot staffing? For example maybe cuts in charter, or guys on MLOA returning (no hiring needed) to a lot of MIL on next hiring trickle which many thought wouldn't happen.
Insiders have any thoughts on what may happen?
Insiders have any thoughts on what may happen?
I may be wrong, but I suspect several on the long term MLOA or furlough bypass list have been employed by other airlines (SWA, DAL, UPS) -- just that DAL doesn't know it.
Cutting the ranks in the military is chump change considering to what really needs to be cut. And when those other budgets are cut, you will definitely see a reduction of government and charter travel (Iraq is over and Afghanistan is wrapping up soon).
Overall, going forward, our economy is not in good shape. The country either spends itself into bankruptcy and currency collapse, or you cut the massive money train and the economy slows. Double edge sword.
Speaking of politics, anyone want to tell us what massive military budget cuts may do to Delta pilot staffing? For example maybe cuts in charter, or guys on MLOA returning (no hiring needed) to a lot of MIL on next hiring trickle which many thought wouldn't happen.
Insiders have any thoughts on what may happen?
Insiders have any thoughts on what may happen?
It will cause the unemployment numbers to tick up.
Speaking of politics, anyone want to tell us what massive military budget cuts may do to Delta pilot staffing? For example maybe cuts in charter, or guys on MLOA returning (no hiring needed) to a lot of MIL on next hiring trickle which many thought wouldn't happen.
Insiders have any thoughts on what may happen?
Insiders have any thoughts on what may happen?
Mackubin Thomas Owens: The President's Risky Defense Strategy - WSJ.com
The President's cuts do not include the impact of sequestration, which would add an additional $500 Billion in cuts over 10 years.
GOP Moves to Avoid Defense Cuts - By Betsy Woodruff - The Corner - National Review Online
The military is not a secure place to be right now.
Most of the above mentioned posts will probably be redacted because they will be perceived as political. However, discussing things that directly affect the economy and our well being as professional pilots is I think germane.
We can't hide our head in the sand and pretend that what goes on in Washington, or London or Paris (can't remember where the darn EU is headquartered) doesn't impact us. Delta just announced new fees (surcharges) to counter the lunacy of carbon offsets and the Chinese are asking the EU to reconsider - read change your mind or we will call your debts due!
I was just thinking that maybe all of this funk we're feeling is a resurgence of the 70's era National Malaise.
We can't hide our head in the sand and pretend that what goes on in Washington, or London or Paris (can't remember where the darn EU is headquartered) doesn't impact us. Delta just announced new fees (surcharges) to counter the lunacy of carbon offsets and the Chinese are asking the EU to reconsider - read change your mind or we will call your debts due!
I was just thinking that maybe all of this funk we're feeling is a resurgence of the 70's era National Malaise.
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Most of the above mentioned posts will probably be redacted because they will be perceived as political. However, discussing things that directly affect the economy and our well being as professional pilots is I think germane.
We can't hide our head in the sand and pretend that what goes on in Washington, or London or Paris (can't remember where the darn EU is headquartered) doesn't impact us. Delta just announced new fees (surcharges) to counter the lunacy of carbon offsets and the Chinese are asking the EU to reconsider - read change your mind or we will call your debts due!
I was just thinking that maybe all of this funk we're feeling is a resurgence of the 70's era National Malaise.
We can't hide our head in the sand and pretend that what goes on in Washington, or London or Paris (can't remember where the darn EU is headquartered) doesn't impact us. Delta just announced new fees (surcharges) to counter the lunacy of carbon offsets and the Chinese are asking the EU to reconsider - read change your mind or we will call your debts due!
I was just thinking that maybe all of this funk we're feeling is a resurgence of the 70's era National Malaise.
You don't have to go all the way back to the 70's. Look at what happened in 1992. 20 years ago this year.
Rembember the Gramm-Rudman act? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm%E...ced_Budget_Act
Congress cut the military budget and closed a whole bunch of active duty bases. I was at Pease AFB (NH) when they closed it. Shortly thereafter two malls and 5 car dealerships located near the front gate went bankrupt, the local housing market crashed. Sound familiar?
All that wasted "Military Spending" money was actually being recycled, going from the tax payers, to Uncle Sam, on to our Airmen, and right back into the local economy, which was going right back to those same tax payers, who were complaing about the Miltary Budget.
So, what really happens when they cut Defense Spending?
Amercans become unemployed.
Unemployed Americans don't buy Airline tickets, at any price.
Anyone remember when Delta did it's first ever furlough?
1993, right after all the base closures.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
Turns out War is good for American Business. Ask anyone at Haliburton.
But where would you rather have your tax dollars go? To support the education of, and employment of, a rather large miltary complex, which in turn creates millions of civilian jobs?
Or directly to Welfare Recipients, the same people who were laid off by the budget cuts...
I'd rather my tax dollars were spent on their pay checks, than their welfare checks.
Last edited by Timbo; 01-07-2012 at 07:02 AM. Reason: clarifications/sp
The scary part of the unemployment numbers is the long term unemployment rate (unemployed longer than 27 weeks) is unchanged and they account for nearly half of the total unemployment. Once the unemployment rate is seasonally adjusted, the 8.5% will be revised and it usually revises higher (probably 8.6%).
What we should really be focusing on is the U-6 Total Employed number ... which is defined total unemployed, plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force, plus total employed part time for economic reasons, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force..
and the current unrevised U-6 number is 15.2%.
What we should really be focusing on is the U-6 Total Employed number ... which is defined total unemployed, plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force, plus total employed part time for economic reasons, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force..
and the current unrevised U-6 number is 15.2%.
Last edited by KC10 FATboy; 01-07-2012 at 07:16 AM.
Yes and no.
Yes it will increase but no it won't be counted because come hell or high water unemployment must drop to below 8% by November. So change the numerator or denominator as necessary to achieve that goal so that you can get headlines that read "unemployment rate decreasing, turned the corner, don't change horses midstream..."
Because nobody will report that the U6 sits at around 16% last I heard and real unemployment is around 10.9 to maybe 11.5 and all of that includes a lot of Christmas season part time workers.
Yes it will increase but no it won't be counted because come hell or high water unemployment must drop to below 8% by November. So change the numerator or denominator as necessary to achieve that goal so that you can get headlines that read "unemployment rate decreasing, turned the corner, don't change horses midstream..."
Because nobody will report that the U6 sits at around 16% last I heard and real unemployment is around 10.9 to maybe 11.5 and all of that includes a lot of Christmas season part time workers.
You don't have to go all the way back to the 70's. Look at what happened in 1992. 20 years ago this year.
Rembember the Grahm-Rudman act? Gramm?Rudman?Hollings Balanced Budget Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Congress cut the military budget and closed a whole bunch of active duty bases. I was at Pease AFB (NH) when they closed it. Shortly thereafter two malls and 5 car dealerships located near the front gate went bankrupt, the local housing market crashed. Sound familiar?
All that wasted "Military Spending" money was actually recycled money, going from the tax payers, to Uncle Sam, on to our Airmen, and right back into the local economy, which was going right back to those same tax payers, who were complaing about the Miltary Budget.
So, what really happens when they cut Defense Spending?
Amercans become unemployed.
Unemployed Americans don't buy Airline tickets, at any price.
Anyone remember when Delta did it's first ever furlough?
1993, right after all the base closures.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
Turns out War is good for American Business. Ask anyone at Haliburton.
But where would you rather have your tax dollars go? To support the education of, and employment of, a rather large miltary complex, which in turn creates millions of civilian jobs?
Or directly to Welfare Recipients, the same people who were laid off by the budget cuts...
I'd rather my tax dollars were spent on their pay checks, than their welfare checks.
Rembember the Grahm-Rudman act? Gramm?Rudman?Hollings Balanced Budget Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Congress cut the military budget and closed a whole bunch of active duty bases. I was at Pease AFB (NH) when they closed it. Shortly thereafter two malls and 5 car dealerships located near the front gate went bankrupt, the local housing market crashed. Sound familiar?
All that wasted "Military Spending" money was actually recycled money, going from the tax payers, to Uncle Sam, on to our Airmen, and right back into the local economy, which was going right back to those same tax payers, who were complaing about the Miltary Budget.
So, what really happens when they cut Defense Spending?
Amercans become unemployed.
Unemployed Americans don't buy Airline tickets, at any price.
Anyone remember when Delta did it's first ever furlough?
1993, right after all the base closures.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
Turns out War is good for American Business. Ask anyone at Haliburton.
But where would you rather have your tax dollars go? To support the education of, and employment of, a rather large miltary complex, which in turn creates millions of civilian jobs?
Or directly to Welfare Recipients, the same people who were laid off by the budget cuts...
I'd rather my tax dollars were spent on their pay checks, than their welfare checks.
War has unfortunately made more fortunes throughout history than peace ever did. WWTB (T for Tebow).
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I have a file of them and picked this one up along the way. Could be one of those chain e-mails that I keep getting.


