Past few days have been something here, huh? Next time someone criticizes a politician for "not getting out in front" of a news story, or not handling it the right way think of how this whole mess has been handled...could it have gone any worse? Hard to imagine. Unlike totalitarian governmental systems, here the worst fate you can suffer is be snuffed out of the ether world of APC, so not quite as effective as what those who espouse the same mentality of do-as-I-say out in the real world.

The message everyone is left with? In so many words: Don't upset certain mods (or super mods or elite mods; whatever that hierarchy is) or else. Which mods and how are they each individually upset? We'll tell you that after you've done it. You can't make this stuff up.

I hope we don't have any mods that get upset about poor grammar and punctuation (e.g. "your" instead of "you're"--I know some mods who may be getting some admonishing PMs if thats' the case; but you don't know until you do it, right?)

 

travelnet/cpsc/northeast/commuterinfo/ nyc / commuter/nyc hotels

crashpad info on bottom

or go to jfk and look on the boards in the halls usually plenty of info there

good luck

 

My thoughts are that Bar was annoyed that the Super-Mod yelled at him, for being against the TOS, but he wasn't. He was just complaining about the moderation of the site. Apparently, criticizing the management around here was verboten - but not in the TOS - Of course, it's their website, but if the mod start giving violations to people because they are complaining about stuff - people will eventually leave.

The political comments draw a lot of ire - sure, talking about the President, Congress and the upcoming election can grow heated and are unlikely change people's opinion, that's why the TOS says we can't do that.

As for nudity or near nudity, do people really know what PG-13 means? It is not what a Disney movie shows- that's "G". PG-13 mean all sorts of things, but here's what the MPAA website says about it:

A PG-13 motion picture may go beyond the PG rating in theme, violence, nudity, sensuality, language, adult activities or other elements, but does not reach the restricted R category. More than brief nudity will require at least a PG-13 rating, but such nudity in a PG-13 rated motion picture generally will not be sexually oriented.

So - did people know that a PG-13 movie could have nudity? Well, it can. So if the TOS says, "PG-13" images, a picture of a topless women sunbathing on a beach would be appropriate. But the TOS says No nudity, so that's the more restrictive (it's like a MEL! ) so we follow that. Sure, it's a slippery slope, how much of the breast is exposed, etc etc. That's why we have mods to make those decisions. I have been happy with the work of FTB, AC and Johnso, they have been making good decisions.

But, when some Super-Mod who doesn't come by often stops by, maybe he's a little surprised by what he sees. I'm sure the 2 page thread on jumpseating to Europe in the cargo thread doesn't have the discussion and comradrie that this thread has - nor the pictures and jokes. Because of the width and breadth of this thread, it's going to ebb and flow. During the slow times between AEs, aircraft orders and contract stuff, other topics come up. We do a good job keeping things in bounds, but our mods (FTB/ACL/Johnso) poke us occasionally and say "hey guy, cut it out" and we all go back to being responsible posters.

I just hope that everyone can realize that this thread has a life of it's own - they might cut us a little slack and not shut it down if we stray a little bit. We should police ourselves and realize we don't see need to see tons of images of nearly naked women. If you can't find naked women on the internet yourself, first we need to revoke your Man card and second check you if you're a pilot.

 

Wow, the estrogen levels are up lately. Actually, that's an insult to my wife who's got a better sense of humor than a lot on here lately. Underboob is porn, dissent will not be tolerated, jokes are taken personally, etc, etc. If you don't like a picture, joke or post press the ignore button please. I feel like I'm back in catholic school. Lighten up Francis!!!

 

That's it!!!! Time for an underboob picture. Check out the knockers on this babe...

 

Were the new rest rules discussed with their impact on staffing?

 

Trust me, we Mods and Admins have been discussing the effects of all of this. I am sure IB wants to keep the revenue stream alive, and they want quality content.

I will finish by stating, The Mods are discussing the issues your brought up. Cooler heads need to prevail.

Now lets get back to what is up with DAL.

MEC meeting next week, and RA and a few others should be showing up. Discuss that, and send your suggestions for questions to your reps.

 

most captains I fly with will be happy to get 20% raise. Ugh.

 

I'm back, because I have some confidence that Internet Brands is dealing with the issue.

The current Admin's position is that users have no value and bring nothing to this site. They can be banned, harassed and insulted without repercussion because they are visitors in the house Internet Brands owns. There is some truth to this in the law of large numbers.

However, I believe that users brought the value to this site and continue to do so every time they sign on. Customers are revenue.

Further, nearly all web board providers take the position that users are responsible for their posts. If sued, IB's defense would be that they simply hosted someone else's content. Logically that argument is that users own their posts and are responsible for them.

Not that I advocate a free for all. The founders of this site built it as a professional resource. Mods have allowed us to have a little fun that perhaps bordered on "porn under the yoke clip" behavior that needed to be brought under control from the CPO. Nothing wrong with professionalism.

Where it went over the line was newer Mods being excessively heavy handed and some Mods simply reacting on their basis of what they liked and did not like. The rules were not applied consistently and the result surprised people when Mods came down hard.

Where I think the site went over the line, is when Admin decided to begin threatening users who were critical of the moderation. When I called IB, they were mildly surprised that I was complaining about Admin when in fact I had not posted any of the offensive material. All I had done is rather impolitically pointed out what had become wrong with the site and what needed fixing.

APC needs users. All of you. At the higher levels of the company (which are driven by revenue) they know this. Without saying so, they know that we have choices.


Internet Brands knows what needs to be fixed. A "lot of people" have been calling them. I am perfectly willing to give them the chance. At the end of the day my loyalty is to the users of this web site first. I'm just your humble servant in this ... if they want to hang me (with no infractions) so be it.

One group of Mods wants to lock this thread. One group of Mods is arguing for moderation. My bet is on the power of 9.3 million page views on one thread alone.

 

Is it wise for our MEC to have these "closed sessions" with RA and others?

I think not.
The confidentiality agreements are a tool management uses to manipulate our reps.