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Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 1116440)
Capn,
The number that I have seen is 87 hours and I believe it. Remember this is an average for total compensation and is skewed high by green-slips, white-slips, assignments and now you would also have to include profit sharing too. My profit sharing for 2010, paid last February amounted to a 5.6 hours/month increase. Do not confuse the 87 hours average compensation with the guarantee - they are related, but not the same number. As I said, I think the 87 hour month is probably accurate. 87 X 12 = 1044. I was always told that our average pay comes out to 1000 hours a year and this is pretty close. Keep in mind that most junior guys on reserve will be no where near the 87 hour average, but for every reserve guy at 70 hours there is probably a few senior guys getting in the 90+ range. And also remember, there are a lot more line-holders than reserves. And don't forget the training department - as small a percentage as they are, they probably skew the average up 1-2 hours/month by themselves. Scoop Water down their number with the 20-30% of us that make 70 hrs a month plus the line guys on reduced ALV in the winter, it just does not add up. Sorry but from where I'm sitting there is no way that 87 holds water, bonus, etc included. Total horse manure. |
Originally Posted by Jesse
(Post 1116513)
Maybe you've just suckered me in to this argument that is actually intended as flame bait for someone like Pineapple Guy.
I don't really see the extra pay as a way to support commuting more than supporting crew scheduling do their job. Guys will be chomping at the bit to do SC. Helping commuters is an ancillary benefit to said work. |
Originally Posted by capncrunch
(Post 1116518)
That is funny!!! It's not flame but it will certainly get PG in a hot temper.
I don't really see the extra pay as a way to support commuting more than supporting crew scheduling do their job. Guys will be chomping at the bit to do SC. Helping commuters is an ancillary benefit to said work. Just sayin... |
Originally Posted by fiigmo
(Post 1116523)
as one of those forced to commute guys, id say it would be nice to have pure sc lines and pure lc lines. Sc would pay a 5 hour premium over lc. It would allow commuters a better qol in most cases. If you live 5 minutes from the airport you get more money doing sc allow guys like me to stay and not worry about having a couple of brews at dinner.....
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
(Post 1116509)
Call the MEC Treasurer. Ask him how they compute the average.
Ask him what set of data that they use, and if any of the data is removed...specifically, if any lines below a certain value are excluded from the average. If you eliminate all of the lines that are less than, say, 70 hours, you'd be surprised how the average changes, especially when a LOT of lines that PBS generates are less than 70. Nu So, the BS flag was raised and Alfa claimed that those who question this notion that 87 hours is indeed the average pay per month did not have the facts. Ok. Let's look at the facts. NuGuy asked this in post 7155: Is it, or is it not, true that schedules less than 70 hours are deleted when considering what is "average" when computing the number to pay FPL people? That would go a LONG way in explaining why everyone I know is getting 68 hour lines from PBS, yet the "average" pay for FPL purposes is 87 hours. If true, the real way to make a dent in the FPL pay is to change the policy manual to take into consideration all lines down to 60 hours, versus 70. Nu Well, here we have it. Straight from section 10.C.3 3. The MEC treasurer will periodically (but at least annually) determine the average and the methodology used to determine the computed average ratepay hours for regular line holders (computed average), which shall be approved by the DAL MEC. This average will be used to determine the computed average rate for full-time and part-time compensation. At every regularly scheduled MEC meeting, the MEC treasurer will provide the MEC with the computed average rate So, the MEC treasurer determines the "computed average." What methodology is used by the treasurer to come to the "computed average?" What is the definition of "regular line holder?" Does this exclude those on reserve? In training? Only regular line holders in a short staffed category? Only regular line holders in only the months of June, July and August? How can the line pilot, or rather DALPA's customers see how this determination and methodology was made by the treasurer? I see that it is made available to the MEC. How about making it available for all pilots to see anytime it is changed. Point is, the process couldn't be any more opaque or be definition easier to manipulte to get and support any given number. |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1116383)
You want reserves to get a lower guarantee?
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Originally Posted by Jesse
(Post 1116513)
I'm just saying it doesn't make sense to me that reserves should be paid 2 hrs more for doing their job.
You mean kind of like when I do an out and back on reserve worth 3 hrs while the guy sitting next to me gets 5:15? |
Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 1116548)
That's not what I said. I want to get paid the exact same per trip as a lineholder.
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Originally Posted by Jesse
(Post 1116513)
Oh, hell yes, I'd support it...I'd love the money. I'm just saying it doesn't make sense to me that reserves should be paid 2 hrs more for doing their job (while line holders nod in agreement?); and the reason for doing it is to help commuters out? My point is it doesn't achieve that because you'd have guys commuting for an extra 12 hours a month. Maybe you've just suckered me in to this argument that is actually intended as flame bait for someone like Pineapple Guy.
Originally Posted by Eck4Life
(Post 1116560)
You mean kind of like when I do an out and back on reserve worth 3 hrs while the guy sitting next to me gets 5:15?
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