Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-08-2012, 06:28 PM
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then the white slippin shizzle comes grabin
all tha two and one day trippin
my mind is fizzled right now. may i never go down this road again. thanks b-u-double-z, you fizzled me like an A-A- would a T-W-A.
Truth about white slipping is white slipping begots white slipping. You can't greenslip if everyone is white slipping and if you need cash now, and you're not on a buss of vikings singing a song about getting your cash now, then you really have no choice but to pull your GS and WS. What an ugly cycle that I watch from afar waiting patiently for the one trip nobody wants, the double deadhead to a short overnight.
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02-08-2012, 06:39 PM
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02-08-2012, 06:40 PM
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Gloopy, I found the psyops handbook for smacking down Delta pilots leading into C2012.
http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm3-05-301.pdf
No idea what that's doing on the internet but:
PSYOP are planned operations that convey selected information and indicators to target audiences (TAs) to influence their emotions, motives, objective reasoning, and ultimately, the behavior of the group and individuals. The purpose of all PSYOP is to create in neutral, friendly, or hostile groups the emotions, attitudes, or desired behavior that support the achievement of competitive and board of directors objectives and missions. In doing so, PSYOP influence not only policy and decisions, but also the ability to govern, the will to fight, the will to obey, and the will to support. The combination of PSYOP products and actions create in the selected TAs a behavior that supports company policy objectives and the directors intentions at the strategic, operational, and tactical levels.
The nature of PSYOP is varied and ever changing. PSYOP personnel must support a broad range of missions and force structures in environments ranging from austere to highly sophisticated and those who use anonymous web boards. PSYOP are planned, coordinated, and executed before, during, and after conflicts, and must be integrated at all echelons to achieve its full force-multiplier potential.
Proven in contract and peacetime, PSYOP are one of the oldest weapons in the arsenal of airlines, as well as an important force protector, combat
multiplier, and nonlethal weapons system. Effective use and employment of PSYOP forces provides many capabilities that facilitate successful mission
accomplishment. The following are examples:
• Project a favorable image of the company and allied forces.
• Amplify the effects of a show-of-force.
• Give target audience alternative courses of action (COAs).
• Improve censorship, illiteracy, or interrupted communications.
• Exploit cultural, political, religious, seniority, retirement or economic differences.
http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm3-05-301.pdf
No idea what that's doing on the internet but:
PSYOP are planned operations that convey selected information and indicators to target audiences (TAs) to influence their emotions, motives, objective reasoning, and ultimately, the behavior of the group and individuals. The purpose of all PSYOP is to create in neutral, friendly, or hostile groups the emotions, attitudes, or desired behavior that support the achievement of competitive and board of directors objectives and missions. In doing so, PSYOP influence not only policy and decisions, but also the ability to govern, the will to fight, the will to obey, and the will to support. The combination of PSYOP products and actions create in the selected TAs a behavior that supports company policy objectives and the directors intentions at the strategic, operational, and tactical levels.
The nature of PSYOP is varied and ever changing. PSYOP personnel must support a broad range of missions and force structures in environments ranging from austere to highly sophisticated and those who use anonymous web boards. PSYOP are planned, coordinated, and executed before, during, and after conflicts, and must be integrated at all echelons to achieve its full force-multiplier potential.
Proven in contract and peacetime, PSYOP are one of the oldest weapons in the arsenal of airlines, as well as an important force protector, combat
multiplier, and nonlethal weapons system. Effective use and employment of PSYOP forces provides many capabilities that facilitate successful mission
accomplishment. The following are examples:
• Project a favorable image of the company and allied forces.
• Amplify the effects of a show-of-force.
• Give target audience alternative courses of action (COAs).
• Improve censorship, illiteracy, or interrupted communications.
• Exploit cultural, political, religious, seniority, retirement or economic differences.
02-08-2012, 06:48 PM
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Speaking of Identifying folks based on their posts... for some reason on my last trip, I got interested in this. Carl posted something narrowing his status down, and I found myself, for no apparent reason, looking at the seniority list and category lists looking where the intersection was for "possible Carls". Unfortunately I found like 25 folks that could be him-OMG is that DTW 744 category tight on hiring and retirement dates! Like everyone flying it is from a 1 year window of life!
Anyways, it was actually an enjoyable hour of looking at seniority and hiring/retirement dates for a category I'll never see. There's something about the stalker biz that everyone digs heh... you know it's true.
It just occurred to me that I might have met Ferd the morning of the 7th going to work, before boarding. PM me if that was you, always need to figure out the local guys!
Hmm, one more point. Last 3 Capts I flew with were happy with 20% and "scope just isn't that critical to my stage in life". Getting a bit bummed that scope may be a complete FO cause...
Anyways, it was actually an enjoyable hour of looking at seniority and hiring/retirement dates for a category I'll never see. There's something about the stalker biz that everyone digs heh... you know it's true.
It just occurred to me that I might have met Ferd the morning of the 7th going to work, before boarding. PM me if that was you, always need to figure out the local guys!
Hmm, one more point. Last 3 Capts I flew with were happy with 20% and "scope just isn't that critical to my stage in life". Getting a bit bummed that scope may be a complete FO cause...
02-08-2012, 06:55 PM
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BTW, just mention retirement healthcare benefits isn't critical to your stage in life. No wait, better yet, AF/KLM and Alaska scope giveaways don't matter to you either. Something just to goad them.
02-08-2012, 06:58 PM
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Yep. That message would be our scope is insufficient at all levels. 255 DC-9-10 replacement jets flying around outside our list, AS pillaging anything that touches the west coast at will and DL well below the AF/KLM/AI balance with no end in sight plus all the future JV dangers like VA and the Chinese carriers.
I'm also noticing a pattern of volatility emerging from the semi-company quasi endorsed rumor mill. CP's, LCA's and other folks in high(er) places are running the gambit from "impending hiring and awesome early outs" to "endless stagnation and be greatful we aren't furloughing...yet" and back again. Not saying the ones spreading the rumors are "in on it" necessarily, but they are getting their info from somewhere and those sources only give them what they want to give them knowing full well it will "leak". PsyOps 101.
Get hopes up, smash them to the ground. Repeat until no one knows what's going on. Finally settle on bad news at the critical time and the sheep will beg you to settle for less just to get it over with and avoid "the worst case" end of the bell curve of possibilities.
Would it be premature to identify this as the U. and D. in FUD from the age old playbooks of failed management teams that consistently run great airlines into the ground?
I'm also noticing a pattern of volatility emerging from the semi-company quasi endorsed rumor mill. CP's, LCA's and other folks in high(er) places are running the gambit from "impending hiring and awesome early outs" to "endless stagnation and be greatful we aren't furloughing...yet" and back again. Not saying the ones spreading the rumors are "in on it" necessarily, but they are getting their info from somewhere and those sources only give them what they want to give them knowing full well it will "leak". PsyOps 101.
Get hopes up, smash them to the ground. Repeat until no one knows what's going on. Finally settle on bad news at the critical time and the sheep will beg you to settle for less just to get it over with and avoid "the worst case" end of the bell curve of possibilities.
Would it be premature to identify this as the U. and D. in FUD from the age old playbooks of failed management teams that consistently run great airlines into the ground?
Like I said last night, it depends on how DAL wants to play this. If they do not care about constructive engagement, they will prove it. The same old tactics will do nothing but further entice this group. Not a move I suspect they will want to make if they want to be a first mover in industry consolidation.
With all of the rumors and open ended statements in the crew planning news, I figure at this point in time, it is better to wait and see what they actually do with the AE than worry about what they might do.
02-08-2012, 06:59 PM
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Powerball is $250M.
My Powerball plane...
Because I want a takeoff that looks like this, where your passengers think "well I thought we were going flying but evidently we're all about to drown":
I think the control movements just appeal to me, very MD88 like.
My Powerball plane...
Because I want a takeoff that looks like this, where your passengers think "well I thought we were going flying but evidently we're all about to drown":
I think the control movements just appeal to me, very MD88 like.
02-08-2012, 07:00 PM
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Then call them out. They think it's ok to just yank the ladder up with them? Let them know they're a prick if they do it. I have.
02-08-2012, 07:00 PM
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Doesn't it allow guys to fly more than they otherwise could? And if so, doesn't that skew the numbers of required reserves and whatnot? It isn't the biggest factor in staffing but it impacts it to some degree. Not to mention its pretty shady. We have way too much to fight for than trying to preserve all the little micro empires like trip parking, LCA buddy bidding and the narcotic pursuit of touch drop vacations. That's a lot of fat concentrated in very, very few places. High cost : low benefit.
02-08-2012, 07:00 PM
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Yeah, they are picking up anything and everything in ATL. I'll be really surprised if I fly at all this month. Been chillin' at home on long call all week, playing a little golf, so I'm not really complaining, just hope I don't get bumped. My kids are starting to get irritated because I cramp their style when I'm home this much.
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