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Old 02-08-2012, 04:41 PM
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You're always welcome bro! And you'd better let me know when you're in town! First rounds on me.
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Old 02-08-2012, 04:43 PM
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All I know is, I'm glad I didn't spring for those ANR headphones.

The Mad Dog is quiet, right? Right?

Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Correct and as they stated by 2014 we will not see as drastic of a winter pulldown. About 1/2 of what we see now. That said, they have about a three month window of opportunity to displace and train on lower jets before it costs more to do this than hire.

This being my third section 6, a displacement the month prior to openers does send a message, even if it is not intended.
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Old 02-08-2012, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
It wasn't spin. The comment was in Q&A and was extemporaneous. Earlier the day it was mentioned that American's management had taken pay concessions off the table in their bankruptcy bargaining and was offering 1.5% pay raises. (American also proposed some really bad scope, which was effectively Delta scope with the limits at 86 seats and 255 large jets, or half mainline).

What has me a little confused is the idea of making 2bn in 2012 while cutting employees.

Again I ask: "What is our core business?" "Then why don't we invest in that?"

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Pilots think our core business is safely transporting passengers. Management thinks our core business is selling tickets. They are investing in what they perceive our core business is.
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Old 02-08-2012, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Most WB fleets are overstaffed right now as the WB's go through the cabin mods.
Im curious about how trip parking plays into it as well. Like selling your vacation I do think it's important to protect pilots from pilots.

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FTB,

You can get a lot more jug training right here. Skip to 2:45 if you don't want to watch the golf hooker parts.

How to Fly the P-47 Ground Handling, Take-Off, Normal Flight, Landing 1943 Training Film - YouTube

My favorite part? "About 15 seconds on your energizer, hold'er 'till she whines"
Is that some kind of porn video? I mean I'll check it out... but that was my disclaimer, I asked.
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Old 02-08-2012, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FrankCobretti
All I know is, I'm glad I didn't spring for those ANR headphones.

The Mad Dog is quiet, right? Right?
"What?!?! You'll have to speak up...err, in ALL CAPS... DC-9 ears, ya' know...". Sure it's quiet. Even my wife is quiet after 30% hearing loss!
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Old 02-08-2012, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
...a displacement the month prior to openers does send a message, even if it is not intended.
I don't know what kind of message you think it sends, but to me it doesn't send the message that I need to be grateful, and settle for less. It sends the message that we're still in Section 66 proceedings... so it send the message that it will require that much more of an improvement to make me feel like I'm even.

Money doesn't buy hapiness, but it sure helps when you're unhappy.
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Old 02-08-2012, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
This being my third section 6, a displacement the month prior to openers does send a message, even if it is not intended.
Yep. That message would be our scope is insufficient at all levels. 255 DC-9-10 replacement jets flying around outside our list, AS pillaging anything that touches the west coast at will and DL well below the AF/KLM/AI balance with no end in sight plus all the future JV dangers like VA and the Chinese carriers.

I'm also noticing a pattern of volatility emerging from the semi-company quasi endorsed rumor mill. CP's, LCA's and other folks in high(er) places are running the gambit from "impending hiring and awesome early outs" to "endless stagnation and be greatful we aren't furloughing...yet" and back again. Not saying the ones spreading the rumors are "in on it" necessarily, but they are getting their info from somewhere and those sources only give them what they want to give them knowing full well it will "leak". PsyOps 101.

Get hopes up, smash them to the ground. Repeat until no one knows what's going on. Finally settle on bad news at the critical time and the sheep will beg you to settle for less just to get it over with and avoid "the worst case" end of the bell curve of possibilities.

Would it be premature to identify this as the U. and D. in FUD from the age old playbooks of failed management teams that consistently run great airlines into the ground?
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Old 02-08-2012, 05:27 PM
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Im curious about how trip parking plays into it as well. Like selling your vacation I do think it's important to protect pilots from pilots.
Although I disagree wholeheartedly with trip parking--how would it affect manning?

Any shady "trip parking" takes place after the bid is awarded, and thus, should not affect manning. Or am I missing something?
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Old 02-08-2012, 05:32 PM
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Although I disagree wholeheartedly with trip parking--how would it affect manning?

Any shady "trip parking" takes place after the bid is awarded, and thus, should not affect manning. Or am I missing something?
With trip parking, you can WS up to max pick-up THEN pick up something back from your "friend" from the swap board, up to FAR's.

If you pay close attention to reserve coverage in certain categories, it's pretty obvious that regular lineholders are doing the overwhelming majority of the uncovered flying. For flight-whaures, this is great news. From a staffing perspective, it's a disaster. Makes me sick.

Congrats on posting something without using the usual acronyms, btw.
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Old 02-08-2012, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
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Pilots think our core business is safely transporting passengers. Management thinks our core business is selling tickets. They are investing in what they perceive our core business is.
Exactly correct.

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