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Scoop 02-09-2012 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by Cubdrick (Post 1132039)


Answer to trip parking: make it public knowledge with listed names [of abusers].


Once in a blue moon it may be justified (short hours due to family emergency PD etc.), but never routine. Money should be made during contract negotiations, not contract work-arounds.

Sometimes peer pressure is a good thing. Transparency is never a bad thing. Problem is too many guys don't even realize they are part of the problem.

Cubdrick,

We should get rid of trip parking but lets be clear about 1 thing - trip parking is currently 100% legal. I think it sucks, but lets face it, guys are exploiting a loophole in the contract to their personal advantage.

Calling them abusers and publishing a list is not the right answer - closing the loophole is.

Disclaimer - I am 100% against trip parking, never parked a trip and never will, and think it is detrimental to all of us in the long run.

Scoop

acl65pilot 02-09-2012 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1132228)
I think we'll merge with someone that no one sees coming. Probably Spirit.

NKS has always been one of those I have looked at. Lots of Latin America route authorities that would be a good back up for MIA. You do not tie yourself up with them right now though.

More Bacon 02-09-2012 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1132173)
That is true. Most love it some hate it. WB time helps over there. That's a fact. It really depends on what type of lifestyle you want. Sadly our compensation and benefits packages lag almost all but the LCC's

Why are you plugging a Middle East job fair, and why are we even talking about this in the Delta thread? :confused:

Bucking Bar 02-09-2012 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by More Bacon (Post 1132251)
Why are you plugging a Middle East job fair, and why are we even talking about this in the Delta thread? :confused:

Because a Middle East Job Fair is the latest and greatest thing happening at Delta's inventory reduction sale. There are some of us who just don't find the next displacement worth doing, if there are better opportunities elsewhere.

I'm sure they'll look the other way if you eat Turkey Bacon.

Check Essential 02-09-2012 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1132197)
Sorry Slow,
We are not investing sufficiently in the business. We are outsourcing our brand: If you don't see this, it is only because your educated bet that it will not catch up with you before you retire.


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1132233)
Your last comment is a cheap shot.:mad:


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1132239)
Mea Culpa. You probably share our disgust with outsourcing

Interesting exchange.
Bar's comment was perhaps unfair when directed to slowplay or any pilot in particular, but I think his point is well taken. There are undeniably those among our senior ranks who are just running out the clock. They will trade scope for cash in a hot second.

acl65pilot 02-09-2012 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1132196)
You are underestimating the intelligence of most of your fellow pilots. Most of us are smart enough to figure out that the W2 is the bottom line. Not all are going to take the time to dig into the numbers though. For example, $186.06 (SWA's 12 year Captain rate) X 105 TFP (SWA's pilots average TFP/month) works out to exactly the same pay check as a rate of $244.21 X 80 hours in a month.

We get sucked into these rate comparisons because that is the easiest thing to compare. With SWA, it is truly an apples and oranges comparison. DALPA could have done a much more credible job of providing relevant info to the pilots it represents by providing a more realistic comparison with SWA.

It is not an underestimation it is what some pilots state and then use as their reasoning that makes me make the statement. We are worth a ton more and should fight for it. Reality is different for many pilots at different points in their careers equate what is significant differently.

acl65pilot 02-09-2012 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by More Bacon (Post 1132251)
Why are you plugging a Middle East job fair, and why are we even talking about this in the Delta thread? :confused:

Help a few pilots that may want to leave realize that there are places they can go :D

It actually manifested itself from one comment. That's all.

Amish Pilot 02-09-2012 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by XtremeF150 (Post 1132034)
Well looks like another 9 will make its final flight West at 800 tomorrow. ATL-MZJ. Fairwell a/c 9886

Good! Not to soon, I just flew that junker yesterday. It had a bunch of MEL/CDLs on it. I think it's time for the boneyard or some heavy maintenance.

acl65pilot 02-09-2012 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1132253)
Interesting exchange.
Bar's comment was perhaps unfair when directed to slowplay or any pilot in particular, but I think his point is well taken. There are undeniably those among our senior ranks who are just running out the clock. They will trade scope for cash in a hot second.

Same as it has always been. Sadly.

Bucking Bar 02-09-2012 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1132253)
Interesting exchange.
Bar's comment was perhaps unfair when directed to slowplay or any pilot in particular, but I think his point is well taken. There are undeniably those among our senior ranks who are just running out the clock. They will trade scope for cash in a hot second.

Yep and Yep. A good valid point misdirected ... so apology in order.

Logically, we have a lot of momentum going into C2012 to keep things the way they are. ALPA's reasoning is sound, that they want to "clean out the underbrush" with agreements now (as they did on scheduling optimization and training) to keep the number of open items to a minimum during NMB supervised negotiations. I think that means using our current Section 1 as the template.


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