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Ferd149 02-19-2012 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by TOGA LK (Post 1137833)
Patton vs Chesty Puller, no comparison. In fact the modern military has ditched black shoes and the older BDUs so soldiers would spend less time polishing and dry cleaning field uniforms. I would like to think Delta has evolved since the days of Patton.

Nawwwwww guess we'll have to agree to disagree:D I guess it's the upbring'en..........It drives me crazy to see the modern guys in BDUs in public (airport) when I couldn't go anywhere but home or the gas station in a flight suit.

Honestly, I think we have bigger fish to fry than uniforms..........but I agree with Patton vs Puller:D

Ferd

orvil 02-19-2012 07:44 AM

Okay, I wear the hat and I wear long sleeves. The hat because my head gets cold from the bare spot and I look good in it. The long sleeves due to fear of skin cancer. Let's just establish that I'm a clean freak and paranoid to start.

I know I'm supposed to set the tone in my operation, but what about cutting your fingernails and flipping the debris on the floor? What about the guy who takes his shoes and socks off during cruise and just sits there barefooted? These have happened. I'm just waiting for the guy or gal who cuts their toenails in the cockpit. If I wait long enough, it will happen.

Here are serious questions that the line check blitz should address. They didn't cover it at In Command. They don't pay me enough to deal with these issues.

Bill Lumberg 02-19-2012 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 1137770)
I agree that ALPA will decide their own fate. However, I think a lot of pilots have a very unrealistic idea of what this TA will bring. SWA rates will not happen.

Thanks O'Malley!

Kingbird87 02-19-2012 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1137826)
I agree with you and Frank. While I don't wear them anymore, I do agree long sleeves look better with a jacket. That's what I wore all my USAF days....jacket = long sleeve shirt and of course a tie. Short sleeve shirt = no tie.

Now, if we REALLY want to start a 100 page discussion........lets imagine an option of short sleeve shirts and no tie. Then we could get into a discussion of V neck t-shirts vs crew neck t-shirts.:D I was actually at a reception once and listened to two 3 Stars give each other $hit about their t-shirts:eek:

All in good fun.........I'll wear my hat till it's optional, which ain't going to happen anytime soon.

Ferd

Ferd,
Went into Life Support at DM back in the mid eighties to get a velcro job. SSgt said it'll be two weeks! The new AD CC that replaced Ron Fogleman had TWO dozen flight suits and associated geedunk in for mods. The patches had to be individually plucked for stray threads, then coated with super glue, sewn to naugahyde and onto a velcro backing. The seams of the flight suits were all split open and then double bar tacked and stiffeners sewn into the collar and waist tabs. Said he learned that the "charm school" taught these pus nuts all the "de rigeur" elements of command. Having been transported in his predecessor's trunk after a night out, not all the leaders absorbed the "Creech" ways.

finis72 02-19-2012 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by TOGA LK (Post 1137818)
This is the mentallity that amazes me. Wear the hat, greet the passengers! What is really happening is our quality of training and standardization has gone out the window. While we lead the industry in taxi collisions, DCA airspace incursions, altitude and route violations, runway excursions (you never hear about them), landing on taxiways at home base, averaging about one takeoff every other month with the flaps up, a preflight where culturally incorrect information is deliberately entered before receiving a clearance, a culture where it's not the norm for the FO to verify or back up the captain (after all captain is god and incapable of mistakes), distance learning for ground school and train by bulletins and memos.

I guess this guy may have a point if we were truly that professional; the reality is we have a long way to mature as an airline. Im just wondering if we will actually kill people before leadership focuses on something a bit more than image. Every time I hear a LCA rationalize the way we train based on costs, the respect is subsequently limited to the four stripes. Im laughing at these line check blitz desks that have no participants, three years later and the average line pilot feels engaging one of these drones is more of a brainwashing session than anything constructive.

Now wear that hat!

You can't legislate buffoonery. How can you claim to be a professional pilot and blame taxi accidents and flaps up attempted take offs on leadership or procedures or whatever ? Delta has done a good job improving their product, we still have a long way to go but they continue to strive for improvement, both with the public and in Flight ops. You sure paint a broad brush with your respect for LCA's, did you bust a ride lately to cause such animosity among a group that you truly only know a minute portion of ?

TOGA LK 02-19-2012 07:52 AM

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Phuz 02-19-2012 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by orvil (Post 1137841)
Okay, I wear the hat and I wear long sleeves. The hat because my head gets cold from the bare spot and I look good in it. The long sleeves due to fear of skin cancer. Let's just establish that I'm a clean freak and paranoid to start.

I know I'm supposed to set the tone in my operation, but what about cutting your fingernails and flipping the debris on the floor? What about the guy who takes his shoes and socks off during cruise and just sits there barefooted? These have happened. I'm just waiting for the guy or gal who cuts their toenails in the cockpit. If I wait long enough, it will happen.

Here are serious questions that the line check blitz should address. They didn't cover it at In Command. They don't pay me enough to deal with these issues.

Sounds stressful! I would look at retiring, ASAP!!

Jesse 02-19-2012 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1137747)
I actually ashamed that we as citizens are asked to fly our flags at half staff for Whitney Houston. Really? I don't think so. She doesn't deserve that.

Guess they'll name a navy warship after her next. Sorry she passed away at an early age, but give me a break.

acl65pilot 02-19-2012 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1137832)
What do you military guys call your flight uniforms? Bags? I want a bag. I want to wear white socks and shorts and a t-shirt and still look flight ready.

I prefer long sleeve shirts. Of course years ago poor ACL was nearly stoned from wearing long sleeve shirts. He barely survived. Times have changed.

I have little choice but to wear short sleeve shirts because I can't find a long sleeve that's actually long and sometimes the fabric is just chinsy.

As to our summer time attire? It's a fashion faux pas, let's admit it:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DWpKXeIgyH...Bto%2BWear.jpg

For summer time I say we start wearing something new. Last night I posted a hoodie with my own name on it. Now I want something to show off my guns.

http://lostangelesblog.files.wordpre...t_nojersey.jpg

Now that I think about it, my problem with our uniform is they don't make it broad enough at the shoulders, big enough in the arms and the inseam is too short.


If you use your research skills you will also realize that it was not a short sleeve shirt! :D


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