Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-03-2012 | 03:22 PM
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03-03-2012 | 03:23 PM
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Exactly right, but you'll not see it acknowledged by some...instead we will see the continued lauding of the "SWAPA model", the "far better functioning union". There will be no explanation of the years they they spent as management's lackey with vastly lower pay-scales enabling Herb to undercut the rest of us.
03-03-2012 | 03:44 PM
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Google "millionaire flight attendants" and see what you come up with. SWA compensation has its ups and downs just like most other airlines I can think of. The low point was 95ish to 2002 in regards to pay and we woke up to the importance of scope when SWA started codesharing with ATA. As always, I hope y'all get a great contract.
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03-03-2012 | 03:44 PM
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I'm sure I'll be mindraped again by DALPA, parroting the company line and explaining why this means we should be thrilled with a less-than-COL "increase" on C2012
03-03-2012 | 03:44 PM
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Exactly right, but you'll not see it acknowledged by some...instead we will see the continued lauding of the "SWAPA model", the "far better functioning union". There will be no explanation of the years they they spent as management's lackey with vastly lower pay-scales enabling Herb to undercut the rest of us.
03-03-2012 | 03:46 PM
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Using that logic, I guess DALPA could also say,
"In fact the contract pilots demand is available today if the company were to offer it."
Sounds pretty silly, doesn't it?
News flash: the company won't offer it. DALPA is going to have to pony up, earn those cushy perks, and ruffle some feathers to produce results.
I say again: stop rolling over for the company and refusing to hold yourselves accountable for this ridiculous "constructive engagement." Or DALPA's gone.
"In fact the contract pilots demand is available today if the company were to offer it."
Sounds pretty silly, doesn't it?
News flash: the company won't offer it. DALPA is going to have to pony up, earn those cushy perks, and ruffle some feathers to produce results.
I say again: stop rolling over for the company and refusing to hold yourselves accountable for this ridiculous "constructive engagement." Or DALPA's gone.
Every month the company posts' SIL's. It's just that every month there are zero SIL's. Check the crew resources page on the left side.
In fact, the contract that Delta Pilots demand is NOT available today in any way, shape, or form.
In my mind Bacon you are hurting your cause more than helping it.
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03-03-2012 | 03:50 PM
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The NMB stuff is just an EXCUSE. Sure, if you do like the APA before their BK and ask for a 50% immediate raise, then maybe the NMB may shake their heads. If you go in asking for a 15% raise the first year, plus 5-7% per year after that, and go for better rules and scope, essentially spreading it out but NOT minimizing it for the sake of being scared, then that should be acceptable. Is ALPA looking for a way out of ACTUALLY NEGOTIATING? Sure, the NMB is a GREAT EXCUSE. AMR and DL are different companies, with different financials. Other than size, you can't compare the two financially at all, and DL has already been through BK and taken care of things that AMR has yet to do, giving us the financial advantage. This type of reasoning is called DEFEATIST reasoning. The NMB is ALPA's Boogie man. Watch out for the Boogie Man, it MIGHT tell us to go in the corner.....oh no! What you are forgetting is that RA and management want to continue the consolidation roll, and don't want distractions from pilot negotiations that could get ugly (and produce a slower SOC if everyone is bogged down in negotiations).
Just sayin.......Denny
03-03-2012 | 03:50 PM
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03-03-2012 | 03:56 PM
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Exactly right, but you'll not see it acknowledged by some...instead we will see the continued lauding of the "SWAPA model", the "far better functioning union". There will be no explanation of the years they they spent as management's lackey with vastly lower pay-scales enabling Herb to undercut the rest of us.
Isn't that management's job? Are you in management? whether you are or aren't, there's no excuse for sandbagging on this contract. sit down and shut the **** up.
03-03-2012 | 04:01 PM
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It is more a matter of listening to the pilot group and soliciting feedback, something that has been asked for over and over again by the pilot group.
T.O. is really putting a lot of energy into soliciting input from pilots and collecting information so that DALPA can better represent us in all aspects of our career at DAL. This is a small project and really didn't take "time and energy" away from prepping for openers, IMHO.
T.O. is really putting a lot of energy into soliciting input from pilots and collecting information so that DALPA can better represent us in all aspects of our career at DAL. This is a small project and really didn't take "time and energy" away from prepping for openers, IMHO.
My point was, there are many, many things which should take priority over changing a uniform which has served the pilot group just fine for the last 70 years. I hope ALPA listens just as attentively to our demands and concerns over the next year.
JMHO
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