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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1149626)

I'm a bit puzzled by this obsession with exact numbers in the opener.
I'm not sure what you expect to see. Is it the pay rate that is going to tell you whether this is a good opener or a bad opener?

Would it really make you guys happy if the union published a piece of paper that says we want a 84.2% raise in our Section 3 pay rates? What exactly would that prove? Does that show that DALPA is strong but if they publish a piece of paper asking for an 68.5% raise then that means they are weak?
Numbers like that are nearly meaningless at this point. You really want them to put a ridiculous throw away figure in the "opener" so you guys will cheer and then abandon it in the first 5 minutes of talks? It sounds like that is what you are asking the union to do.

I'm no expert but I think you guys may be laboring under a misconception of how these negotiations work. There are 28 sections in our contract and there is a cost associated with most all of them. The pay rate tables are only one piece of the puzzle.
By its very nature the "opener" is going to be a general guideline of which areas we think need to be emphasized but I'd be very surprised if it lists exact numbers for every section. Besides pay there are some very importabt things we need to get that are also just as expensive. Work rules, retirement, medical, disability, sick leave, vacation, etc. etc. etc.

There is going to be a long process before we have any real numbers.
It would be easy to "open" for massive improvements across the board but does that really help in actually achieving those improvements? I think not.

Some of these guys are looking for a reason... ANY reason to continue the hand grenade lobbage toward the MEC. IF the opener doesn't fit into their idea of what they think it should be, and I'll be shocked if the usual suspects do not scream from the rooftops that it isn't enough, they will continue their call for the heads of the association. IOW, it is just a prepackaged excuse to continue their assault, because as we all know, another organization would have demanded at least 10% more.. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1149657)

BS. You only pull out the "I respect the fNWA guys" when you get called out on it. Posting what you did about our strikes was exceedingly disrespectful and ignorant. That's the real you tsquare. You just can't help yourself.

Carl

Whatever Carl. Of course the really interesting thing is that I have the experience of working with pilots from the other side. YOU do not have that experience, so you are still operating in your own little world. It is gonna be interesting when you actually have to do so... And I have spent time in your world.. I KNOW how you operate..

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Originally Posted by NERD (Post 1149743)

Was Southwest embarrassed when in the late 90s people were leaving there for AA, Dal, or Ual? Doubt it because there are thousands waiting to take your place.

Exactly..................

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1149761)

Great post. Totally agree.

Carl

So if it doesn't meet your expectations, you'll be leaving???? Really? Can I help you pack? I'll even let you borrow my pickup truck to move.

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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1149820)

Not exactly true about your date. If halfway through the prom you discover she won't "put out" at the after party, you quickly dump her for someone who will. If not, then you deserve to get a "peck on the cheek.". The TA will signal whether or not she is dumped at halftime. Let's hope she is a hooker.

That's a really lame analogy.

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1149830)

RSV at WN is 16 days off a month. All your days on are our equivalenth of short call. IIRC it converts to about 78 normal hours of pay.

Well THERE's something that sucks about SWA. I sure as hell don't want 14 days of SC.

I heard there was an internal memo stating that Delta wants the crj 200 gone by the end of the year. Can any of you guys confirm or deny this? Thanks

I have reviewd the last several days of posts and basically come to this conclusion.

We are now past 80 knots and will be past V1 when we toss the opener on the table.

As we all know, there is no return after that point. With all of the pent up demand and emotions surrounding the special circumstances involving our contibutions in BK, it better address the needs of this group. Not doing so would be akin to rejecting well past V1.

Basically disastrous for this round of the process and the time line.

Just a personal thought. I spent 20 years listening to Red Book, Green Book then Bluebook comparisons/arguments at NWA. Now it's North vs South. I really don't want to spend my last few month's/year's listening to this. It's done, it's over! Time to move on to more important issues.

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1149830)

RSV at WN is 16 days off a month. All your days on are our equivalenth of short call. IIRC it converts to about 78 normal hours of pay.

Also, time on reserve at SWA is calculated in months vs. years.